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I live in Phoenix. But I plan on moving to Denver regardless of who I work for. I am more concerned with stability of the 2 airlines and of course the outcome of Southwest coming into the Denver market.
 
You should do some research on both airlines to understand what are the core philosophy and financials of each of them. You will find quite a difference. With good information, you can decide which airline suits you best. A good place to start is the 2004 (JBLU) or 2005 (FRNT) Annual report SEC filings and the 2005 3rd quarter SEC filings. JetBlue and Frontier have different annual calendars, that is why you need to look at 2004 and 2005. These are publically available to anyone and are good reads. You don't have to be a financial wizard to read them. You can even listen to the bigwigs from both airlines on their latest conference calls, all from the comfort of your living room.

http://investor.jetblue.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=jblu&script=700
http://investor.jetblue.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=jblu&script=1901
http://investor.jetblue.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=jblu&script=1100

http://www.frontierairlines.com/pdf/Annual_Report_2005.pdf
http://www.frontierairlines.com/about/investor.asp


Skirt
 
My buddy from F9 just sent me his resume for big brown. He doesn't have a warm and fuzzy with all the bs and now SWA going into Denver. FWIW.....I told him I'd help him out if Im still employed by big brown after this year ;). So much for one of the most stable companies in the industry. Gotta love it........
 
Don't pick

Two years from now, it'll be the same thing- FrontierBlue, anyone?



(I don't know, but anything's possible...)
 
Frontier or Jet Blue...... Dunno,what's my third choice??:D


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
B6 info

B6 plans on over 600 new hires next year alone... just changed the staffing model from 6.5 crews per plane to 7.3 c/p/plane. Also as of now we are accepting one aircraft every 10 days and this will continue for years to come. 97 more E190's on firm order and another 100 options after that... another 140 or so busses at least as well. Rumors of pilot bases in boston, oakland and orlando to come w/in a year or two. The company is built for the hard times and the E190 is supposed to revolutionize the airline industry... if you don't believe me then go to the Boyd Group online and read for yourself.

I almost went to F9 a few years ago. Great company but not nearly as growth oriented as B6. Instead of hundreds of guys behind me now I'd have 20 or 30. B6 is twice the size of F9 and as I said getting a new plane every 10 days. I have friends at F9 and they love it. In-house union which has an outstanding relationship w/ management. When things get bad the two work together very well, for the good of the company. Interview at both and then decide. Problem is that it will even be a harder decision after that. Don't expect any increase in B6 flights to Denver but between LGA and JFK you'll have an easy commute. You could also go to LGB. You could probably hold it as an FO within 3-6 months, but you'd never get in as a captain... it'll be decades. But w/ the possibility of OAK or BOS you'd have more options.

I personally love it at B6... were going in the right direction and the guys are great to fly with... I know where I'd go but commuting vs. not commuting is a huge difference. Good luck.

Tail
 
With SWA entering the Denver market, I think B6 is looking like a better option. Plus, you know B6 will be growing considerably over the next few years with the 190 deliveries - not sure what growth F9 will be seeing over the same time period... If given the choice, I would select B6 (even though the 190 FO pay bites!!!).
 
“I told him I'd help him out if Im still employed by big brown after this year . So much for one of the most stable companies in the industry. Gotta love it........”

NetworKing –

Would you please explain? Are you saying this because of the contract negotiations at Big Brown or is there something else going on? Hope your worries are unfounded,

Thanks, av80r
 
I'm still waiting for the guys who just say "frontier" to add anything more than a one word response... back it up... or they just are some of the B6 bashers on this board who have nothing to do w/ their other hand.

Tail
 
My airline is better than yours, no your airline is better than mine...wait a minute, what did I say? The best airline in the world is the one that hires you, end of story. To many poeple that keep chasing the greener grass only end up catching their own tail only to get bit in the but.
 
Ok, to elaborate on more that just saying 'Frontier' - I can only really give you info on F9 as I dont know very much about Jet Blue. I just interviewed at F9 and got the offer and I couldn't be more excited. The atmosphere at F9 headquarters is electric and very friendly. Jeff Potter, the CEO, came by, shook hands with us, and chatted a bit. Very nice person and seems very committed to the company and its employees. Everyone there (except the usual 5-10%) is gung ho about doing what it takes to make F9 successful and it really does feel like a big family. I have heard countless people flying on other airlines talking about how great Frontier is to fly on and how nice the people are. They are more conservative with their growth but that maybe is not all that bad.

From where i'm at, I'd be happy as an FO for as long as it takes to upgrade. They treat their employees great and it shows.

The only advice I can give you is go with what your heart says, because things change so rapidly in this industry that todays darling could just as easily be tomorrows hunchback.

Good luck with your choice.
 
vetrider said:
My airline is better than yours, no your airline is better than mine...wait a minute, what did I say? The best airline in the world is the one that hires you, end of story. To many poeple that keep chasing the greener grass only end up catching their own tail only to get bit in the but.
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Good point!! 9 in my new hire class of 18 left to go to the proverbial "greener pastures" Out of those 9 only 1 is still flying today (he chose UPS). Who knew?


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
I have a friend who just made that decision. Lives in Denver went with Frontier. Both are good companies, with different pros and cons depending on what you really want. Look at financials (your pay and the company's bottom line) and QOL and stability (if there is any in this industry). Decide what's most important with you. Go with the one that will make you happiest. Neither one is a sure bet, either or both could be gone in 10 years or they both could be stable 'dream' companies. You'll be happy no matter what you choose.
 
RiteSideUp said:
Ok, to elaborate on more that just saying 'Frontier' - I can only really give you info on F9 as I dont know very much about Jet Blue. I just interviewed at F9 and got the offer and I couldn't be more excited. The atmosphere at F9 headquarters is electric and very friendly. Jeff Potter, the CEO, came by, shook hands with us, and chatted a bit. Very nice person and seems very committed to the company and its employees. Everyone there (except the usual 5-10%) is gung ho about doing what it takes to make F9 successful and it really does feel like a big family. I have heard countless people flying on other airlines talking about how great Frontier is to fly on and how nice the people are. They are more conservative with their growth but that maybe is not all that bad.

From where i'm at, I'd be happy as an FO for as long as it takes to upgrade. They treat their employees great and it shows.

The only advice I can give you is go with what your heart says, because things change so rapidly in this industry that todays darling could just as easily be tomorrows hunchback.

Good luck with your choice.
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Congratulations to you Riteside, I think you have the right attitude. Enjoy yourself.
 
Here ya go.

tailhookah said:
I'm still waiting for the guys who just say "frontier" to add anything more than a one word response... back it up... or they just are some of the B6 bashers on this board who have nothing to do w/ their other hand.

Tail
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Frontier

Frontier

FJ
 
Here you go (take two)

Kane said:
I live in Phoenix. But I plan on moving to Denver regardless of who I work for. I am more concerned with stability of the 2 airlines and of course the outcome of Southwest coming into the Denver market.
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Kane said he wants to live in Denver. Frontier happens to be based in Denver. I think commuting sucks the big one. In my opinion it would be better to go with the home based company. Plus I can think of a billion things I would rather due than commute to JFK (or FLL or LGB, but particularly JFK).

Not bashing jB at all, just offering up an opinion since it was asked for.

Seem a bit touchy, but then again I'm used to that from the jB folks on this board.

FJ
 
On Your Six said:
With SWA entering the Denver market, I think B6 is looking like a better option. Plus, you know B6 will be growing considerably over the next few years with the 190 deliveries - not sure what growth F9 will be seeing over the same time period... If given the choice, I would select B6 (even though the 190 FO pay bites!!!).
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"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault and land in our rear and on both flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, General, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do." General US Grant

Substitute Southwest for Lee and you've got what everyone keeps running around with. I guess since Southwest is coming to Denver, everyone else may as well go home and crawl into the fetal position and call for mommy.
 
How does the pay compare? I mean for the new-hire, who'll get F.O. on the RJ at JBLU vs. right seat in the 319 at Frontier?

Also, how long to make left seat at the 'bus for both, for a new-hire?
 
Seem a bit touchy said:
Been denied the jumpseat lately?

I cannot speak for Frontier...but neither can anyone else who doesn't work there. B6 is great, commute is easy, pay is good (except the 190 but what do I care, right?), I can go on and on. Bottom line, awesome place to go to work.
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