Former AWA Pilot writes the truth

[St. Nic]

St. Nic, take some time off and enjoy the summer, these could be the best years of your life that you are so angry. When you are old you will realize your hate ruined your experience in life. You sound like a person who would key up a nice car because you cannot afford one instead of just saying wow what a nice car.

I enjoy a lot of things, like watching Seham win. How bout you?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I enjoy a lot of things, like watching Seham win.

Then maybe it's not so much anger as delayed gratification!:laugh:

 

[becket]

I enjoy a lot of things, like watching Seham win. How bout you?

Do you enjoy waiting around for Haley's Comet as well? Both happen with the same regularity!!

Loved the new Legal update where USAPA claims to be happy that they're in court...even though they fought tooth and nail for over a year to PREVENT that from happening.

Gee What is Seham afraid of? I wonder.

 

[Bluejob]

"In ten years it won't matter much whether we have a DOH list or not- most of you will be gone and the rest of us will bury your anger with you. You see, you're a bitter soul who knows in the end time is on my side, as well as the law. Even in a worse case scenario for me we keep you at $124 an hour NB captain pay for ten years until you either drop dead or wave the white flag from your bankruptcy contract. Asheville really is beautiful, the Grove Park Inn has such a majestic view. I am happy with how things are looking for me going forward. As each year passes I lose nothing- I will inherit the fruits of your sacrifices regardless of what happens - and a DOH list isnt in the cards. Time to enjoy the view, the 330 ( and maybe even the 350) will be fun to fly. All the best to you."

“Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar.”

 

[Metrojet]

As I said on the first page of this tread, when the East pilots are done banging their heads against the wall( i.e. gold standard, not fair, bad MDA data,plain angry for a terrible life, bad aviation career and so on...) we as West pilots are ready to move on. Keep reading all the USAPA spin you want, but the truth is out there and LOA 93 is probably not going away for a very long time. It is no longer a mystery why the East pilots have the worse careers and contracts in the industry, it is THEMSELVES to blame. The East pilots in PHL last week looked beaten down with their proud yellow lanyards declaring to the world a false safety drive to shut USAirways down. Like I said, sad for people to go thru life so bitter and angry, we all only get on shot at life and will not let the East pilots drag us down to their level.

Mark

Carl or Mark

Remind me again why the west won't accept conditions and restrictions with a fence?, in order for both sides to move forward?

Oh yeah - I remember now - because if Nic was the active list - then all the furloughs from the last 3 years (with the downsizing of LAS and PHX) would have come from the East and not one west pilot would be furloughed. SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR SOLUTION TO ME - NOT

Metrojet

 

[cactusboy53]

GMAFB!!! You clowns were about to go bankrupt if it wasnt for Lakefield hooking up with Parker! And you know it!

Really you need to educate yourselve on the hole process and how it went down. Project Zanzabar ring a bell?

ANd this rookie America Worst poster who started this thread just shows who is the greedy one. You guys are unbelievable!

Nickie;
So much hate for such a young man. You post screams of desperation & is void of truth.

Sit back and let the courts finish this (since you have chosen to not abide by a final & binding decision by a seasoned arbitrator). It is your side that is unbelievable. We are well read and educated. You should start by not believing everything that el presidente tells you.

 

[cactusboy53]

Screw you pal, were about to smash you clowns in court. Silver isn't going to let you get away with hijacking a union

Jeez Louise, I thought the other post was sadly pathetic. It appears that there will be more. Bubba, you are haning on too tight. There will be court renderings, and they may buy you a little more delay. There will be more arbitration renderings, and according to Parker...you're gonna be very disappointed.

Calling USAPA a "union" is a stretch, and EVERYONE in the industry knows it.

 

[cactusboy53]

Carl or Mark

Remind me again why the west won't accept conditions and restrictions with a fence?, in order for both sides to move forward?

Oh yeah - I remember now - because if Nic was the active list - then all the furloughs from the last 3 years (with the downsizing of LAS and PHX) would have come from the East and not one west pilot would be furloughed. SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR SOLUTION TO ME - NOT

Metrojet

Here, let me get this one:

The west is represent by USAPA now. While USAPA claims that DOH is the way we do seniority here, they must take ALL tenets, contracts, letters of agreements & conditions of the previous CBA. The previous CBA conducted a merger process, and the product of that process is the Nicolau Award. The company accepted that list and sent out a letter stating that the Nicolau award met all of the companys conditions for a merged list.

There is NO ONE on the west that has the authority to accept any such "offer" from the union that is supposed to represent all US Airways pilots.

Since you kids decided to pick up your toys and go home (vs. playing by the rules), we have NO CHOICE but to defend our position. Court decision(s) will come down eventually. Heck Cleary & Mowrey already wrote a paper in June 2000 that essentially states that NO COURT HAS OVERTURNED A FINAL AND BINDING AWARD. What makes you think they are now wrong?

Meanwhile we will sit over hear in toasty PHX on an OK contract (DH today @ 100%, and I just went home...excellent!). We await the courts or perhaps a cadre of 600-700 that know where this will eventually end up and want a new contract NOW.

Now where did I put that bowl of popcorn.....

 

[Raoul Duke]

meanwhile the majority of the east pilots will be forced to retire long before this issue is resolved.

 

[get2flyin]

meanwhile the majority of the east pilots will be forced to retire long before this issue is resolved.

"Forced"?

 

[TWA Dude]

Oh yeah - I remember now - because if Nic was the active list - then all the furloughs from the last 3 years (with the downsizing of LAS and PHX) would have come from the East and not one west pilot would be furloughed.

As you well know, the Nic list was constructed in 2007 based (mostly) on a snapshot date in 2005. What actually happens after that point isn't relevant because the list is the list. The USAPA wet-dream list makes the West furlough-fodder for the East. Does the Nic list do the same for the East? No, because at the time of the merger over half the East was already furloughed.

SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR SOLUTION TO ME - NOT

Good thing your opinion doesn't matter. Neither does mine. That's why it's called "Binding Arbitration" and not "Binding Unless One Side Doesn't Like It Arbitration". Show some integrity and live with what you agreed to.

 

[Raoul Duke]

"Forced"?

Last I checked, we are all forced to retire at 65. Hopefully it will be increased to 70 at some point but it has not happened yet.

 

[get2flyin]

Last I checked, we are all forced to retire at 65. Hopefully it will be increased to 70 at some point but it has not happened yet.

Yeah, "Hopefully". Let me guess...you'd like to see it increased the day before your 65th birthday?

 

[Quiet Flight]

Nobody can staple anyone legallyQUOTE]

This is patently, wholly and absolutely false. BM provides NO/ZERO language stating such. This is a falsehood that is perpetuated by uneducated and misinformed pilots. Read the entire law and try to find the part that says a staple, or any other type of integration solution for that matter, is "illegal".

Now back to slamming USAir.



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[Carl S.]

Metrojet, there are no do overs in binding arbitration. If there was such an thing, the system would fail. Imagine cutting a plea deal and then getting buyers remorse while doing your sentence and wanting a do over/trial to reduce your sentence. Not going to happen in our current legal system. Stop feeling sorry for your bad career at AAA and try to make the rest of your career and life a better experience. Also try to layoff the USAPA koolaid, it will only give you a hangover down the road.

 

[reepicheep]

Last I checked, we are all forced to retire at 65. Hopefully it will be increased to 70 at some point but it has not happened yet.

It will be changed to 70 just in time to prevent the next "pilot shortage".

 

[Dan Roman]

double post in error

 

[Dan Roman]

This is patently, wholly and absolutely false. BM provides NO/ZERO language stating such. This is a falsehood that is perpetuated by uneducated and misinformed pilots. Read the entire law and try to find the part that says a staple, or any other type of integration solution for that matter, is "illegal".

Now back to slamming USAir.



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Go review the PeopleExpress/Continental case and than study the definition of precedence as it relates to the law.
THAN get back to me about uneducated pilots or misinformed ones.
No court will rule in favor of someone arbitrarily stapling an entire pilot group of an acquired airline. Can't be done it has allready been proven in court, as the saying goes.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Go review the PeopleExpress/Continental case and than study the definition of precedence as it relates to the law.
THAN get back to me about uneducated pilots or misinformed ones.
No court will rule in favor of someone arbitrarily stapling an entire pilot group of an acquired airline. Can't be done it has allready been proven in court, as the saying goes.

A negotiated agreement may contain anything the parties to the negotiations agree to. A staple is in NO WAY illegal. Precedence is used to established process more than outcome/result.

"Than study the definition..."? "THAN" get back to you? Did you mean THEN study the definition and THEN get back to you?

Courts don't "rule" in an arbitration case. The ARBITRATOR does. Hence the name...

Also if it's a negotiated agreement it's not an arbitrary stapling.

Again, a staple is not illegal. Not even close.

You ever read any Samuel Johnson or Abraham Lincoln quotes?

 

[Metrojet]

Here, let me get this one:

The west is represent by USAPA now. While USAPA claims that DOH is the way we do seniority here, they must take ALL tenets, contracts, letters of agreements & conditions of the previous CBA. The previous CBA conducted a merger process, and the product of that process is the Nicolau Award. The company accepted that list and sent out a letter stating that the Nicolau award met all of the companys conditions for a merged list.

There is NO ONE on the west that has the authority to accept any such "offer" from the union that is supposed to represent all US Airways pilots.

Since you kids decided to pick up your toys and go home (vs. playing by the rules), we have NO CHOICE but to defend our position. Court decision(s) will come down eventually. Heck Cleary & Mowrey already wrote a paper in June 2000 that essentially states that NO COURT HAS OVERTURNED A FINAL AND BINDING AWARD. What makes you think they are now wrong?

Meanwhile we will sit over hear in toasty PHX on an OK contract (DH today @ 100%, and I just went home...excellent!). We await the courts or perhaps a cadre of 600-700 that know where this will eventually end up and want a new contract NOW.

Now where did I put that bowl of popcorn.....

Catcusboy53 -

You never answered my question about the fairness of how all furloughed pilots would be from the east with the LAS closure (if Nic was used)

But - it is moot - and you are INCORRECT that the Nic is part of our Current CBA (like a LOA or side letter) - it is a totally separate document - sort of like an addendum to an unsigned or not yet effective contract. It is simple law - but you continue to believe that is part of a contract (see joint collective bargaining contract definition) - which all of us get to vote on.

Metrojet