FO/Flex how would you vote to integrate??

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Thought you didn't know who I was ? But you mention kcak? Lies effect your credibility TWA. I know that TWA won't get this but let me ask this question to the rest of the fj guys. If KR is willing to staple 13-25yr employes to the bottom of the list and freeze there pay what do you think the future holds for a bunch of guys he doesn't even know and a company he hasn't even owned a year with no contract protection? (Come on TWA please hire me? I will be a good little soldier and kiss ass everyday. I promise)

You sir are an idiot.

Guess who just outed himself.

I went through your seniority list and saw what I thought were 2 pilots with the first name of Shane. I didn't recognize either name so I had a 50/50 shot. Best part of this is now anybody who wants to know who you are can just look you up.

Genius

 

[shanes123]

You out smarted me TWA. Now can I please have a job?

 

[The Architect]

History Repeats Itself

I said "I think". I am never part of the panel that does the face to face, so I have no idea what is asked. I can't imagine FJ not hiring someone because they are active in the IBT. That is just my opinion.

The furloughed pilots were called in seniority order as far as I know. So far we have reached out to the first 100+/-

Well, let's look at KRs history. What happened when RTA union organizers where terminated? Do you really think that Flexjet will hire individuals they know have been active participants in the union?

Where did you get your information about Flexjet calling furloughed Flight Options pilots in seniority order? Better yet, who informed your that it was 100 +/-?

You are either seriously misinformed or where lied too. So, what's the source of you information?

 

[t-bone]

Not based on your experience, please sight the reference where it is illegal to ask an interviewee "how they feel about signing an employment agreement."

Better yet, take it one step further and sight the illegality of an "at will" employee asking an interviewee how they feel about union representation.

http://ppspublishers.com/articles/application_interview.htm
http://humanresources.cua.edu/manager/guidelines.cfm

But my comment was solely based on what HR told us, topics to steer clear of

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Well, let's look at KRs history. What happened when RTA union organizers where terminated? Do you really think that Flexjet will hire individuals they know have been active participants in the union?

Where did you get your information about Flexjet calling furloughed Flight Options pilots in seniority order? Better yet, who informed your that it was 100 +/-?

You are either seriously misinformed or where lied too. So, what's the source of you information?

They were contacted in seniority order. We reached out to the top 100 or so.

What's the source of your information that contradicts this?

 

[wingsnthings]

LMFAO!!! I have to back up and point out the irony here! Shanes outted TWA long ago, then in one simple post he outted himself! Too good to be true. Way to go moron! LOL!

 

[The Architect]

Wrong!

They were contacted in seniority order. We reached out to the top 100 or so.

What's the source of your information that contradicts this?

Do I really need to pull out the "L" word?

Absolutely false.

"Reached out?" What's that? Read their name aloud with two people in the room. Because the majority of the "top 100 or so" were not contacted.

Source?

Well, let's see.

Flexjet Pilots Seniority List #321 Hired 12/15/2013
Flight Options Pilots Seniority List #312 Furloughed

Good guy. He is not at fault. But, definitely interviewed and hired out of seniority. Check the names of those swimming in the pool. By the way, their arms are getting tired.

 

[wingsnthings]

Thought you didn't know who I was ? But you mention kcak? Lies effect your credibility TWA. I know that TWA won't get this but let me ask this question to the rest of the fj guys. If KR is willing to staple 13-25yr employes to the bottom of the list and freeze there pay what do you think the future holds for a bunch of guys he doesn't even know and a company he hasn't even owned a year with no contract protection? (Come on TWA please hire me? I will be a good little soldier and kiss ass everyday. I promise)

Still laughing that you Shane. I'll try to answer your question. The FO pay would be frozen at current rates then will increase when the FJ pay scale passes current pay. I don't see how this is bad for someone that wanted to come over to FJ. It isn't mandatory or forced, so it would be a personal choice Shane.

 

[The Architect]

Instant Pay Raise

Still laughing that you Shane. I'll try to answer your question. The FO pay would be frozen at current rates then will increase when the FJ pay scale passes current pay. I don't see how this is bad for someone that wanted to come over to FJ. It isn't mandatory or forced, so it would be a personal choice Shane.

So, doesn't the equate to an instant pay raise?

Or am I missing something?

 

[wingsnthings]

So, doesn't the equate to an instant pay raise?

Or am I missing something?

It would depend on what the FO pilots pay is when they are hired. If it is less than first year pay, it would be an increase in pay. If their pay is more than the first year pay, then no it wouldn't be a pay raise, but wouldn't be a pay cut. The FO pilot would also get 401k match which I consider a raise.

 

[dash_trash]

They were contacted in seniority order. We reached out to the top 100 or so.

What's the source of your information that contradicts this?

Hmmmm ... same address and phone number for the last nine years and I have yet to receive a phone call ... and I'm well within that top 100.

Then again ... I was heavily involved with the union ... Hmmmm

 

[shanes123]

Hmmmm ... same address and phone number for the last nine years and I have yet to receive a phone call ... and I'm well within that top 100.

Then again ... I was heavily involved with the union ... Hmmmm

Didn't KR already get sued for this and lose??? to the tune of about 7 million if I recall. Thats what the Fab 5 got paid!! History repeats itself again

 

[shanes123]

I know that TWA won't get this but let me ask this question to the rest of the fj guys. If KR is willing to staple 13-25yr employes to the bottom of the list and freeze there pay what do you think the future holds for a bunch of guys he doesn't even know and a company he hasn't even owned a year with no contract protection?

 

[V1 Rotate]

Hmmmm ... same address and phone number for the last nine years and I have yet to receive a phone call ... and I'm well within that top 100.

Then again ... I was heavily involved with the union ... Hmmmm

If you feel that you were passed over and you'd like to interview here then I would suggest that you contact our HR department. Any of us would be glad to get her e-mail to you.

And for the active FLOPs guys coming over, if your ego isn't too large to sit right seat for 3-4 years, it would more than likely, based on today's payrates, be financially advantageous for you to make the jump. You wouldn't have to wait 15 years as Shanes123 suggested. Once you upgraded, even the Lear CA scale would bring you upward. But if it's schedule you're after then yet probably better off staying put.

 

[Praetorian]

I know that TWA won't get this but let me ask this question to the rest of the fj guys. If KR is willing to staple 13-25yr employes to the bottom of the list and freeze there pay what do you think the future holds for a bunch of guys he doesn't even know and a company he hasn't even owned a year with no contract protection?

I think this ^^^ is a very good question. I think some other good questions are, as a result of accepting employment at Flex:

1. Why would any FO pilot accept - even with a pay freeze - what would amount to an over $7,000 annual pay cut (in lost per diem) which would result from the resulting elimination of his/her contractial meal program benefit?
2. Why would any FO pilot accept a pay freeze?
3. Why would any FO pilot accept the humiliation of at-will employment.

I personally think all of this is nothing but a very lame trial balloon being floated by a few management stooges, at the behest of their masters, here on FI.

Let me again remind all of you what Martin Levit said in Confessions of a union buster:

"For my campaigns I identified two key targets: the rank-and-file workers and their immediate supervisors. The supervisors (or in this case, lead check-airman) served as my front line. I took them hostage on the first day and sent them to anti-union boot camp. I know that people who didn't feel threatened wouldn't fight. So through hours of seminars, rallies, and one-on-one encounters, I taught the supervisors to despise and fear the union. I persuaded them that a union-organizing drive was a personal attack on them, a referendum on their leadership skills, and an attempt to humiliate them. I was friendly, even jovial at times, but always unforgiving as I compelled each supervisor to feel he was somehow to blame for the union push and consequently obliged to defeat it. Like any hostages, most supervisors could not resist for long. They soon came to see the fight through the eyes of their captor and went to work wringing union sympathies out of their workers."