FO/Flex how would you vote to integrate??

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Along with Flight Options Holdings I, Inc.

I believe we were acquired by DAC.

 

[Club ORD FO]

t a change of heart, I have accepted the fact that KR wants single, single is where this operation is going to be headed. My thought is that the Union can be the di*k everyone wants them to be, or just work with the company to accomplish something that in inevitable.

KR wants single because he hopes it will lead to the union being voted out. Why are you guys giving him that chance? KR may want the behind the scenes operations combined, but he has not told us that he wants the pilot groups merged. We have been told that that does not have to happen. Maybe we will know more after the next meeting in a few days

 

[slowtation capt]

I'd say the union is being the big bad bully by asking for single carrier. Nobody at flex wants single carrier. nooooobody. You can only get away with it because you have more pilots.

Ask yourself this;

Why did KR buy FlexJet and not tell anyone of us until it was released in the news?

Why did KR not go to the Union before buying FlexJet with a proposed LOA on merging the companies?

Why did KR give the Union a proposed LOA with very few days to decide to accept an LOA that would put Citation Air pilots out of a job, and Flops take their airplanes?

Why has the company been crying about how the Union didn't sign the LOA, when we would have only gotten 15 or so airplanes, but KR gained how much with FlexJet?

Why if in KR's email to us, he said that being a lawyer himself, that there is always "grey" areas, and he didn't understand why the Union was being a di*k towards him?

Why didn't KR just buy the assets of Citation Air and not care what the Union had to say?


Because it was all about the #'s.

If KR brought the Citation Air pilots over then that would have made the #'s that would guarantee when Flops and FlexJet are merged that the Union stayed.

Our Union pilots + Citation Air pilots would have certainly outnumbered you guys when it came to a vote.

KR also wanted to cause a rift among our pilots, in saying that he was trying to be the hero and bring XX airplanes over with no pilots, so the furloughs would be brought back, but the big bad Union said NO!

Remember the Citation Air scam went down before FlexJet was announced. KR was closing on FlexJet and needed to secure the Union signing off on throwing the Citation Air pilots to the street so he would have the hope of you guys being his winning no vote against the Union when it's merged.

 

[slowtation capt]

I believe we were acquired by DAC.

Correct, Directional Aviation Capital acquired FlexJet

Here is how KR plays some of his games

this is part of the structure from our contract

WHEREAS, Directional owns a controlling interest in Flight Options Holdings I, Inc.

WHEREAS, Holdings I owns and controls Flight Options Holdings II, Inc. (hereafter referred to as "Holdings II"), which, in turn, owns and controls Flight Options;

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Correct, Directional Aviation Capital acquired FlexJet

Here is how KR plays some of his games

this is part of the structure from our contract

WHEREAS, Directional owns a controlling interest in Flight Options Holdings I, Inc.

WHEREAS, Holdings I owns and controls Flight Options Holdings II, Inc. (hereafter referred to as "Holdings II"), which, in turn, owns and controls Flight Options;

I understand all of that, but your contract doesn't address merging of lists unless the company acquired is owned by the company.

The company is only defined as Flight Options LLC or Flight Options Holdings I.

That part of your contract doesn't apply in this case since were were to purchased by either of those entities.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Your source? Jackson Lewis.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Your source? Jackson Lewis.

Source, your contract.

I am actually flattered that you think a lawyer is telling me what to say.

Aparently I must sound smarter than I think.

And I just had to do a web search. I figure the law firm name you were saying was a joke or from a movie. There actually is a Jackson Lewis. That is kinda funny.

 

[The Architect]

Merge is Covered

I understand all of that, but your contract doesn't address merging of lists unless the company acquired is owned by the company.

The company is only defined as Flight Options LLC or Flight Options Holdings I.

That part of your contract doesn't apply in this case since were were to purchased by either of those entities.

The Flight Options Pilots CBA Section 1.5(c) is applicable.

The associated Parent Letters also apply.

Note that while the assumption and/or statement that DAC acquired Flexjet may be accurate, any company to which DAC is parent could have acquired Flexjet. In other words, if Flight Options Holdings I acquired Flexjet, for practical conversation, one can say DAC acquired Flexjet since they are the parent.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

The Flight Options Pilots CBA Section 1.5(c) is applicable.

The associated Parent Letters also apply.

Note that while the assumption and/or statement that DAC acquired Flexjet may be accurate, any company to which DAC is parent could have acquired Flexjet. In other words, if Flight Options Holdings I acquired Flexjet, for practical conversation, one can say DAC acquired Flexjet since they are the parent.

I understand that, but it was actually DAC not one of the companies it owns that purchased FJ. Hence 1.5(c) is not applicable because we did not become employees of the "company" as defined in your contract.

I am really glad you guys convinced me to download your contract. I suggest all FJ pilots do it. Since it is on a public site I may just have to upload it to Yammer for everyone to become educated so when you guys corner us on the road we can accurately discuss your contract.

 

[slowtation capt]

I am really glad you guys convinced me to download your contract. I suggest all FJ pilots do it. Since it is on a public site I may just have to upload it to Yammer for everyone to become educated so when you guys corner us on the road we can accurately discuss your contract.

Please do, let every FlexJet pilot see it, read it, and ask questions about it.
Please do remember that it is a 1st contract. If you see things that need to be improved and believe me there are things that need improved, bring it up, negotiations can start again in about 6 months.

But always remember, it is a 1st contract, one that got nowhere under the reins of Scheringa for 2+ years, and then even 2+ years when KR came back and publicly stated it was his priority to get us a contract right away. KR played his games and dragged it out also.

If you can find a company that got an industry leading out of the world hit a homer run inside the ballpark 1st contract, let me know.