FO/Flex how would you vote to integrate??

[Club ORD FO]

Our 6 month check is done on the road with a check airmen, a 8 rotation is spent with the check airmen.

I'm not sure what I find more horrifying, the fact that you do 8 day rotations or that you basically do an 8 day eval for recurrent. Must admit I'm not a fan of either of those tow things and hope we never see them at Flex. Personally I think we have great training. I like the 6mo being in the sim because you get time to see some unusual failures that you could in no way see in the real airplane safely. Cascading failures on a rejected takeoff for example.

 

[993_Pilot]

I'm not sure what I find more horrifying, the fact that you do 8 day rotations or that you basically do an 8 day eval for recurrent. Must admit I'm not a fan of either of those tow things and hope we never see them at Flex. Personally I think we have great training. I like the 6mo being in the sim because you get time to see some unusual failures that you could in no way see in the real airplane safely. Cascading failures on a rejected takeoff for example.

We would ALL prefer to do our 6 month check in the sim. It is obviously the better way to do things, but that costs too much $$ money. You don't honestly think the rolling 8-day checkride was by choice of the FO pilots do you? Mark my words... KR will cut that sim time in a heartbeat. Sure, he won't change anything while there is a potential representation vote at stake, but that will be one of the first things that disappear once the single carrier / representation thing is determined.

What shocks me the most is that some of you Flexjet guys have learned absolutely nothing from history. Ask around about the RTA/FO merger. Ask about the proposed FO/CA merger. Seriously, just ask!!! What do you all think will happen to the pilots of XO jet when that acquisition is finally announced? Once you hear the truth about those things, think about your position in this whole merger. KR is using you to try to get rid of the IBT, but do you really think he will be loyal to you, once the determination has been made? Was he loyal to the FJ pilots (or any group, other than the preferred management pilots/SFO's) in determining the new Global pilots? KR will be loyal to the cheapest labor who won't write anything up, that's who he'll be loyal to. Look, I will be the first to admit that the IBT isn't the perfect answer to everything, but voting out the union is the worst possible choice. The best choice is to grab a seat at the table. Trusting in the benevolence of management and begging for mercy and is a waste of time, and a drag on the whole industry. Are ALL the pilots of the majors wrong for wanting to be represented by a union? Together, we will all be stronger. Food for thought.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Name calling. You continue to establish a new low. BTW how often do the lawyers give you your talking points?

 

[slowtation capt]

I get it. One of your buddies here at FJ shared my name on your union board.

Nobody shared you name on the union board

Might want to think about all the loyalty that you claim people have to you, because it wasn't shared on the union board, it was shared somewhere else, I didn't ask for it, it was just handed to me, along with your #.

 

[slowtation capt]

You are starting to realize the uphill battle you are fighting or you wouldn't have starting dragging up my past to discredit me.

The ball is in your court. Is is up to the IBT to sell to FJ why us having your union is better than staying as we are. So far you are failing miserably.

All I/we have to do is keep shooting holes in your ridiculous and inaccurate claims. It seems to me that we have the easy part of the job.

Good luck

Actually I was looking for something I thought you had said, and saw all those old posts.
Wasn't trying to dig up anything, except for a quote of something that I thought you said.

 

[slowtation capt]

You keep telling me how this will not hurt us, but when some of your members post it sure brings back some memories.

Haven't seen too many of the Flops posts that are negative towards your job position, unlike yours;

I think you would enjoy swinging gear for me.

Heck, you might even get to fly a few empty legs.

Let me know how that works with my '99 hire date verse your '04

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Nobody shared you name on the union board

Might want to think about all the loyalty that you claim people have to you, because it wasn't shared on the union board, it was shared somewhere else, I didn't ask for it, it was just handed to me, along with your #.

Then call me. Would love to chat.

I am sure there are a few people here that aren't my biggest fans.

I am sure you have a few at FO also.

You can't be everyone's friend.

Seriously, call me. Why on earth would you say you have my number and not call?

I looked at your profile page and aw who visited you lately. I think I have a didn't idea who sent you the PM that said who I was. He was hitter and angry when he left FJ.

On e again you think stating that you have my # is going to intimidate me. You have got to be kidding me. You know you don't have the balls to call.

Shanes123
I am still waiting for the PM telling me how you know me.......yeah I thought so.



Best bet for you guys is to start pleading with your union to not file single carrier status. Actually, I bet one of you is up high in the union so just tell your buddies not to so it.

Remember, if your union gets voted out it will not be our fault, I told you not to push us.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Haven't seen too many of the Flops posts that are negative towards your job position, unlike yours;



Let me know how that works with my '99 hire date verse your '04

The you go assuming it will be a DOH.

Your contract states that a merger will be done per the Allegheny/Mohawk agreement.

Have you ever read how that is accomplished? Yeah, didn't think so.

Instead of looking at your beloved 99 DOH look at what % you are asking active FO pilots.

Figure we have 325 and you have 260 active pilots. Add those up and you will be about the same % on the new list.

Only problem is that your union is about to put up a fence that won't allow us to fly together.

 

[shanes123]

Don't worry TWA. You are running scared it shows in your posts. We all know who you are and why you take the stand you do. Your scum TWA you don't have half the followers you say or think you do. I will personally bring you down when the time is right. A lot of flex guys wanna see you fall. You run your mouth but the people your running it to are stabbing you in the back. Your time is limited once kr realizes you don't have the faithful following you claim to have.

 

[slowtation capt]

Then call me. Would love to chat.

Seriously, call me. Why on earth would you say you have my number and not call?

Really, you think I want to talk to you on the phone?
I was just proving a point

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Don't worry TWA. You are running scared it shows in your posts. We all know who you are and why you take the stand you do. Your scum TWA you don't have half the followers you say or think you do. I will personally bring you down when the time is right. A lot of flex guys wanna see you fall. You run your mouth but the people your running it to are stabbing you in the back. Your time is limited once kr realizes you don't have the faithful following you claim to have.

Personally bring me down.

Exactly how do you plan to do that smart guy?

That's the problem with the few FO pilots on here. You think because you have union protection that you have way more power than you do.

That would be like me align I was going to get you fired. I have zero control over anyone's employment.

KR doesn't know anything about me. I have never met the man.

If I am the scumbag you say and KR is the devil you say wouldn't he love to keep me, or heck even promote me?

I am not running scared.

You guys have totally lost control of this debate. It has been pages since you did anything but try to down talk the FJ pilots that don't agree with you.

How's that IBT message board going for you. Seems to me that if it was going well we would see none of this on here.

Oh yeah Shane's. Where is that info from my past where you knew me that you didn't find on FI......yeah thought so.

Someone telling you my name doesn't make me know you.

Talk about fighting a losing battle.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Really, you think I want to talk to you on the phone?
I was just proving a point

What is that point exactly?

That you have my number and chose not to call me.

Are you going to show up at my house now with your union thugs and punch my dog?

You can't scare me by saying things like that.

You and Shane's and everyone on your union message board knows who I am. So what.

I don't get why you would post that you have my # and not want to call unless you are just trying to intimidate and scare me.

Sounds like we are back to where we started, good old union 101 - fear and intimidation.

 

[slowtation capt]

Figure we have 325 and you have 260 active pilots. Add those up and you will be about the same % on the new list.QUOTE]

When was the last time only active pilots were included in the merging of seniority #'s.
Our furlough pilots of furlough recall rights, just like you with TWA-AA.

So figure u have 325 pilots, we have 471 pilots, I am in the top 16% of those 471 pilots that would be included in the merging of our seniority lists.

What percentage are you.

The old seniority list I have of Flex, show you at seniority # 224, it also shows you have 472 pilots. So lets just say, but we know it doesn't happen that way, that 472-325=147 pilots left above your 224#-147=77#, that puts you at 24%, and that best case of 147 pilots leaving above your 224, '04 hire date.

For someone that had to

I would love to keep chatting but I have to get up early tomorrow and go fly.

You sure have a lot of time this morning

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

A union buster just trying to look like one of the guys.

 

[slowtation capt]

What is that point exactly?

That you have my number and chose not to call me.

Are you going to show up at my house now with your union thugs and punch my dog?
.

What is wrong with you? Punch a dog?