FO/Flex how would you vote to integrate??

[slowtation capt]

You keep telling me how this will not hurt us, but when some of your members post it sure brings back some memories.

Haven't seen too many of the Flops posts that are negative towards your job position, unlike yours;

I think you would enjoy swinging gear for me.

Heck, you might even get to fly a few empty legs.

Let me know how that works with my '99 hire date verse your '04

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Nobody shared you name on the union board

Might want to think about all the loyalty that you claim people have to you, because it wasn't shared on the union board, it was shared somewhere else, I didn't ask for it, it was just handed to me, along with your #.

Then call me. Would love to chat.

I am sure there are a few people here that aren't my biggest fans.

I am sure you have a few at FO also.

You can't be everyone's friend.

Seriously, call me. Why on earth would you say you have my number and not call?

I looked at your profile page and aw who visited you lately. I think I have a didn't idea who sent you the PM that said who I was. He was hitter and angry when he left FJ.

On e again you think stating that you have my # is going to intimidate me. You have got to be kidding me. You know you don't have the balls to call.

Shanes123
I am still waiting for the PM telling me how you know me.......yeah I thought so.



Best bet for you guys is to start pleading with your union to not file single carrier status. Actually, I bet one of you is up high in the union so just tell your buddies not to so it.

Remember, if your union gets voted out it will not be our fault, I told you not to push us.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Haven't seen too many of the Flops posts that are negative towards your job position, unlike yours;



Let me know how that works with my '99 hire date verse your '04

The you go assuming it will be a DOH.

Your contract states that a merger will be done per the Allegheny/Mohawk agreement.

Have you ever read how that is accomplished? Yeah, didn't think so.

Instead of looking at your beloved 99 DOH look at what % you are asking active FO pilots.

Figure we have 325 and you have 260 active pilots. Add those up and you will be about the same % on the new list.

Only problem is that your union is about to put up a fence that won't allow us to fly together.

 

[shanes123]

Don't worry TWA. You are running scared it shows in your posts. We all know who you are and why you take the stand you do. Your scum TWA you don't have half the followers you say or think you do. I will personally bring you down when the time is right. A lot of flex guys wanna see you fall. You run your mouth but the people your running it to are stabbing you in the back. Your time is limited once kr realizes you don't have the faithful following you claim to have.

 

[slowtation capt]

Then call me. Would love to chat.

Seriously, call me. Why on earth would you say you have my number and not call?

Really, you think I want to talk to you on the phone?
I was just proving a point

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Don't worry TWA. You are running scared it shows in your posts. We all know who you are and why you take the stand you do. Your scum TWA you don't have half the followers you say or think you do. I will personally bring you down when the time is right. A lot of flex guys wanna see you fall. You run your mouth but the people your running it to are stabbing you in the back. Your time is limited once kr realizes you don't have the faithful following you claim to have.

Personally bring me down.

Exactly how do you plan to do that smart guy?

That's the problem with the few FO pilots on here. You think because you have union protection that you have way more power than you do.

That would be like me align I was going to get you fired. I have zero control over anyone's employment.

KR doesn't know anything about me. I have never met the man.

If I am the scumbag you say and KR is the devil you say wouldn't he love to keep me, or heck even promote me?

I am not running scared.

You guys have totally lost control of this debate. It has been pages since you did anything but try to down talk the FJ pilots that don't agree with you.

How's that IBT message board going for you. Seems to me that if it was going well we would see none of this on here.

Oh yeah Shane's. Where is that info from my past where you knew me that you didn't find on FI......yeah thought so.

Someone telling you my name doesn't make me know you.

Talk about fighting a losing battle.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Really, you think I want to talk to you on the phone?
I was just proving a point

What is that point exactly?

That you have my number and chose not to call me.

Are you going to show up at my house now with your union thugs and punch my dog?

You can't scare me by saying things like that.

You and Shane's and everyone on your union message board knows who I am. So what.

I don't get why you would post that you have my # and not want to call unless you are just trying to intimidate and scare me.

Sounds like we are back to where we started, good old union 101 - fear and intimidation.

 

[slowtation capt]

Figure we have 325 and you have 260 active pilots. Add those up and you will be about the same % on the new list.QUOTE]

When was the last time only active pilots were included in the merging of seniority #'s.
Our furlough pilots of furlough recall rights, just like you with TWA-AA.

So figure u have 325 pilots, we have 471 pilots, I am in the top 16% of those 471 pilots that would be included in the merging of our seniority lists.

What percentage are you.

The old seniority list I have of Flex, show you at seniority # 224, it also shows you have 472 pilots. So lets just say, but we know it doesn't happen that way, that 472-325=147 pilots left above your 224#-147=77#, that puts you at 24%, and that best case of 147 pilots leaving above your 224, '04 hire date.

For someone that had to

I would love to keep chatting but I have to get up early tomorrow and go fly.

You sure have a lot of time this morning

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

A union buster just trying to look like one of the guys.

 

[slowtation capt]

What is that point exactly?

That you have my number and chose not to call me.

Are you going to show up at my house now with your union thugs and punch my dog?
.

What is wrong with you? Punch a dog?

 

[el raton]

Don't worry TWA. You are running scared it shows in your posts. We all know who you are and why you take the stand you do. Your scum TWA you don't have half the followers you say or think you do. I will personally bring you down when the time is right. A lot of flex guys wanna see you fall. You run your mouth but the people your running it to are stabbing you in the back. Your time is limited once kr realizes you don't have the faithful following you claim to have.

You're talking out of your a$$.

No one at flex is looking to bring TWA down. In fact, comments like slowtation's reference to his doh vs twa's only reinforces our resolve to keep the two groups separate.

You guys need to accept this fact: except for a few pilots we at flex want nothing to do with you or the IBT. If God forbid it does happens, KR will have to drag us kicking and screaming and putting his business model at great risk. At that point, most of us will leave. I'd rather go somewhere else than work at a mediocre place where I need the trailer trash of unions to represent me.

 

[slowtation capt]

In fact, comments like slowtation's reference to his doh vs twa's only reinforces our resolve to keep the two groups separate.

And TWA telling me I could swing his gear for him, is different how?

 

[slowtation capt]

At that point, most of us will leave.

Where ya gonna go, when 325 of ya send out resumes all at the same time?

 

[Club ORD FO]

We would ALL
KR is using you to try to get rid of the IBT, but do you really think he will be loyal to you, once the determination has been made? Was he loyal to the FJ pilots (or any group, other than the preferred

Oh I agree with you there, we are getting used to vote out the union. I think that is KRs top priority. And I do agree that afterwards he can make changes as he see fit, so that's a risk for us to vote no. But it's also a risk for us to vote yes. Since you guys out number us, we might see ourselves being presented with a contract we don't like (like 8 day trips). Either path we take we are possibly going to lose what we already have. It's a crap choice, it'll be the lesser of two evils. All we have on one side is KRs word on a piece of paper, and rather big unknown if we go pro union. At least KR has said we can keep our schedules, the union can make no such promises.

Just keep us separate, problem solved

 

[slowtation capt]

Just keep us separate, problem solved

The Union is only meeting with the company because the company wants single, and the Union is trying to come to agreement to protect both sides before a single status occurs.

So really, you should be asking the company to stop meeting with the Union in an agreement to protect everyone's positions, if the company stops meeting, there won't be an agreement, and the Union wouldn't proceed forward with single as the company wants.

Petition the company to stay seperate, the company wants single, the Union is only working to protect us.

 

[CL300Pilot]

The Union is only meeting with the company because the company wants single, and the Union is trying to come to agreement to protect both sides before a single status occurs.

So really, you should be asking the company to stop meeting with the Union in an agreement to protect everyone's positions, if the company stops meeting, there won't be an agreement, and the Union wouldn't proceed forward with single as the company wants.

Petition the company to stay seperate, the company wants single, the Union is only working to protect us.

Slow, correct me if I am wrong. If your 50% +1 and the IBT do not petition the NMB, doesn't that keep us separate? That is what I believe all or most of the Flex guys believe. My understanding is that while yes, KR wants single carrier, only you guys can make that happen. Since there is no way in hell that the company can get 50% + 1 of the Flex guys for a straw man vote. Therefore, you guys, as I see it, control whether you keep you union or not. Am I wrong here?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Where ya gonna go, when 325 of ya send out resumes all at the same time?

I don't think any of us want to leave.

It just shows how much some of our pilots don't want the IBT.

If the IBT gets voted in I am not leaving. FJ is a good company with a bunch of hard working commited employees. I don't want to see that be taken from us because you can't stand to work without the protection of a union.

The swinging gear comment was a joke. The chances of you and I ever flying together is slim to none.

 

[slowtation capt]

The swinging gear comment was a joke. The chances of you and I ever flying together is slim to none.

There is no joke, when it involves telling someone that they can swing gear for you.

It's a d*ck comment, and you know it.

Everyone knows in the industry that when someone says you can swing my gear, that you are an arrogant self centered pr*ck.

The only time I have heard that comment used as a joke, is between my friends and I when we fly together, and normally it goes something like this
"Dude, your gonna be my g,p,i,c (gear, papers, ice, coffee) bi*ch for the week."
"Hel* no, your gonna by mine"
Rock papers scissors here we go....

Now you are trying to save face.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So now its going to be the IBT's fault when FJ is no longer the good company you remember. Right out of the handbook again. So how often do you get your talking points from the lawyers again?

 

[slowtation capt]

The swinging gear comment was a joke. The chances of you and I ever flying together is slim to none.

So by your logic, the supposed Flops pilot that climbed onto a Challenger 300 in Nor'leans and said "I can't wait to have your seat".

What he said was a joke, right?

..............and then we all had a good laugh together!