Flying Pet Peeves!!!!!

[$$$4nothin]

Bos Ground/Tower

when KBOS tells me to pull up closer to the A340 or B757 when my Navajo only weighs 7400lbs fully loaded. Nothing like being hovering 2 feet off the ground on Taxi way November.

And slowing down for anything with jet engines on it when im in my Navaslow

 

[Indypilot]

IAD controllers.


More specifically, IAD controllers that need a physics lesson. Two airplanes doing 250kts stay the EXACT same distance apart from eachother as do two airplanes doing 170KTS. (Go to ORD, watch and learn)

 

[EagleRJ]

Guys that begin every radio call with "and". Usually they'll drag the word out a bit too:

"Aaaand XXX traffic, Cessna 123AB left downwind for 18."
"Aaaand XXX traffic, Cessna 123AB left base for 18."

Useless trivia for the day:

Early radios that had vacuum tubes took a second or two between when you mashed the mic button and when your words went out on the air. Some pilots started off with the extra words to make sure their calls were being transmitted completely. People who do it today probably heard an old-timer do it and figured it sounded cool or something.

I agree- knock it off!

 

[zeroline]

Pilots when approaching an uncontrolled field, call in for aiport advisories; meanwhile had they just listened for a second or two would have figured it out by the dozen or so aircraft in the pattern making their respective postion calls.
But no they still have to call in and ask which runway is in use.

Dont be so quick to judge. CFI's have to teach their students how to request an airport asdvisory. When your student flys once a week on saturday when every uncontrolled airports pattern in the area is busy as $h!t, you cant only have him/her listen to the radio to figure out whats going on in the pattern. Sure, thats what they should do. But, because of primacy, if thats all they do, thats alll they WILL EVER do. They will never ask for a traffic advisory unless you make sure they do it every once in a while. This scenario often happens to be the case more often than not.

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

Airport Advisories are used when there is a FSS on the field (as per AC 90-42F). I assume that you are using the term as it is normally used (if not - disregard the rest of this post).

You have to learn how to request an airport advisory? News to me and I have flown into airports where I have never seen another aircraft in motion when I was a student. I have also had it be me and an aircraft w/o an electrical system in the pattern and thus asking for airport advisories does jack.

If you want to know what I am talking about: http://www.avweb.com/news/news/183049-1.html (AC 90-42F)

 

[English]

Ok, my pet peeve...calling a non-towered airport "uncontrolled". Makes it sound like we are all out doing loopty-loops in the pattern.

 

[NJA Capt]

Student's who take all day to clear runways!!! Pilots who taxi all the way to the ramp with the flaps still down!!!

Dash 8 pilots who use 9000' on rollout so they can turn off in front of the commuter concourse.

ARTCCs who start your descents 250nm out.
ARTCCs who climb/descend you 1000' at a time.
500kt aircraft vectored behind 300 kt aircraft
Aircraft capable of 5000+ fpm stuck behind a plane struggling at 1000 fpm.
Any airliner above FL370.


Best clearance....Fly runway heading, climb and maintain FL410. Oh if we could only get that at TEB

 

[Typhoon1244]

Pilots who taxi all the way to the ramp with the flaps still down!!!

Our procedures require us to set the flaps for the next takeoff after landing (unless it's the last flight of the day). Get over it.

 

[zeroline]

Jedi:

Airport Advisories are used when there is a FSS on the field (as per AC 90-42F). I assume that you are using the term as it is normally used (if not - disregard the rest of this post).

You have to learn how to request an airport advisory? News to me and I have flown into airports where I have never seen another aircraft in motion when I was a student. I have also had it be me and an aircraft w/o an electrical system in the pattern and thus asking for airport advisories does jack.

If you want to know what I am talking about: http://www.avweb.com/news/news/183049-1.html (AC 90-42F)

No I am not talking about the local airport advisory provided by an FSS (AIM 4-1-9-d) Im talking about the the airport "advisory" provided by UNICOM. Check out AIM 4-1-9-h. I'll sumarize for you: UNICOM communication procedures; Report approximately 10 miles from the airport....and request wind information and runway in use (ie. airport advisory...kinda like saying "looking" instead of the official terminoligy: negative contact) And yes, you do need to know how to request an advisory on UNICOM frequency as well as know the difference between UNICOM and CTAF. Otherwise an examiner might fail you. As far as practical uses Id file it under the "good to know" category especially if you'd like to become a CFI oneday. Keep in mind I never said not to use the see and avoid method as well.

New Pet Peeve:
Low-time pilots who think they have been "studying" and know more than the pilot who flys something a little bigger than a warrior just cause he/she is not flying little planes anymore.

 

[dseagrav]

Dont be so quick to judge. CFI's have to teach their students how to request an airport asdvisory. When your student flys once a week on saturday when every uncontrolled airports pattern in the area is busy as $h!t, you cant only have him/her listen to the radio to figure out whats going on in the pattern. Sure, thats what they should do. But, because of primacy, if thats all they do, thats alll they WILL EVER do. They will never ask for a traffic advisory unless you make sure they do it every once in a while. This scenario often happens to be the case more often than not.

My CFI does not do this. At least he hasn't done it yet. Radio's busy as hell, and we can hear all the way to Joliet from pattern altitude (from Peoria), but he just has me look out the window and make sure I'm not going to hit anyone before entering the pattern. (Granted there is only one runway so it's not very difficult. Maybe he'll ask me to do it later when we go somewhere busier. I'll probably say "I have eyes" or something and see if he insists, but he doesn't seem the lazy-shortcut type.)

 

[machtuck]

pilots who think every flight is a leg going to the F`in moon... they take it sooo serious they dont enjoy it.

and 2nd, guys senior to me that are younger.

 

[pilotman2105]

Thinking for Yourself

Dont be so quick to judge. CFI's have to teach their students how to request an airport asdvisory. When your student flys once a week on saturday when every uncontrolled airports pattern in the area is busy as $h!t, you cant only have him/her listen to the radio to figure out whats going on in the pattern. Sure, thats what they should do. But, because of primacy, if thats all they do, thats alll they WILL EVER do. They will never ask for a traffic advisory unless you make sure they do it every once in a while. This scenario often happens to be the case more often than not.

So what you want is for a student to tie up a busy CTAF frequency (which is often the same as UNICOM) to get an airport advisory because they can't figure out from the wind and local traffic what the current runway is?

"XYZ traffic, Cessna 12345 entered left downwind for runway 36." That seems pretty self explanatory to me what runway to use.

"XYZ Airport Weather. Wind 360@12..." That seems pretty self explanatory to me, too.
Yeah, the law of primacy is in effect here, but so is common sense. Just because it's the first thing that they've learned that does not mean that it is going to be the only thing that they learn.

I would think that any basic intro to communications at non-towered airports would include the "use common sense" clause. There is no need for an airport advisory, local airport advisory, or whatever the he!! you want to call it. Get the weather yourself, listen to traffic, and use your brain to make a decision.

 

[Flight_Line]

[font=&quot]People who call for an airport advisory ON THE GROUND while staring right at the big day-glow orange windsock. This is especially true if there are 50 planes in the pattern.

The dorky instructor who calls for the above airport advisory (5 times) and when unicom does not answer asks the only other plane around (me) why "everyone" is using (the crosswind runway) when the wind (all 5 kts of it) CLEARLY favors the other runway. It’s a non-towered airport here sparky, use whatever one you want!

People who try to fly MY plane instead of theirs. This means YOU Mr. Centurion guy who entered a wide downwind behind me and just had to check with me if I was going to make the runway since I was so close.

CAP pilots who freak out because they loose sight of me in the pattern and when they finally see me freak out more because I am on base lower than they are in the downwind. New concept here... DECEND to land.

Pilots who try to use an IAP to cover for a right pattern. To the guy in that Bonanza who nearly hit me. The VOR 21 comes in from the other side. Might be time to get those navs checked.

Pilots who fly IFR VFR.

Controllers who are consistently unpleasant.

That's all I got for now.
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[dseagrav]

[font=&quot]Pilots who fly IFR VFR.
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Does this refer to people who don't scan and spend too much time reading the instruments rather than looking outsite (I have this problem and I am trying to break it) or something else?

 

[Flight_Line]

Does this refer to people who don't scan and spend too much time reading the instruments rather than looking outsite (I have this problem and I am trying to break it) or something else?

No, it refers to the guy who blasts off into the soup VFR.