FLYi...kicking butt!

[msk2468]

Beats me...but none of the above mentioned airlines had to shrink, sell airplanes, furlough half their pilots, beg for lease relief from creditors, default on lease payments and cut their schedule in half during their first 8 months of ops.

Hey Mick does ValueJet mean anything to you? Let me just say this, I am no expert but I have read a lot about the history of the airline business and I find it funny that airtran and JetBlue are mentioned in the same breath as southwest. Secondly, its a funny that everyone thinks these are the greatest airlines because they happen to be hiring right now. It will be interesting to see how opinions change on the hated legacy carriers when they come around and start hiring again whenever that may be. Airtran and JetBlue are fine airlines, but Airtran did have to restructure in a major way it just so happened to be at a better time...lower oil prices etc...and JetBlue is just new, check in again in 10 years. Southwest has been successful because of slow controlled growth, but all of these guys will have the share of challenges...its inevitable.

 

[-9Capt]

That's absolutely not what I'm saying. No need to put words in my mouth. Mickey was highlighting our 62.9% LF and SW's 63.3% wasn't much better this month.

Load Factor has next to nothing to do with profitability, it's all about the yield (RASM). You can have 101% LF and still loose money faster than a drunk frat boy in a casino if you're selling every seat for 39 bucks!!

 

[j41driver]

Dont waste your time arguing with Mickeyslapnutz. Same guy as etoper. Loser.

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As usual...you are correct sir.

 

[neflier]

"I wonder how many more passengers Indy would have carried had there actually been 3 more days in Feburary...and that is with less available seats than Jan!"

My point exactly. Less airplane seats to fill and 3 less days than the month before, thus, your LF is inflated by the seats available reduction.

I hardly ever say this on the Internet, buy you sir are a complete moron, and complete morons are hard to come by. Having 3 days less in the month has nothing, zero, nadda to do with LF. LF is represented as a percentage of seats filled, not total pax flown.

I'm not jumping up and down for joy regarding the increase in LF. We're selling seats for $44. Of course people will fly down to Florida, in the winter, for $44. At that rate, we'd have a BELF of over 200%. Let's not forget that the reduction in schedule will result in our overhead costs being spread out over a smaller number of aircraft, thus increasing the CASM.

For the last two quarters in '04, we had an average loss of around 1 mil/day. I wonder what our cash burn was in February, with this 'awsome' increase in LF?

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

I hardly ever say this on the Internet, buy you sir are a complete moron, and complete morons are hard to come by. Having 3 days less in the month has nothing, zero, nadda to do with LF. LF is represented as a percentage of seats filled, not total pax flown.

I'm not jumping up and down for joy regarding the increase in LF. We're selling seats for $44. Of course people will fly down to Florida, in the winter, for $44. At that rate, we'd have a BELF of over 200%. Let's not forget that the reduction in schedule will result in our overhead costs being spread out over a smaller number of aircraft, thus increasing the CASM.

For the last two quarters in '04, we had an average loss of around 1 mil/day. I wonder what our cash burn was in February, with this 'awsome' increase in LF?

Two points:

1.If the month is short than you have "less" available seats to sell in the month. Thus your LF numbers are impacted.

2. Complete morons are very easy to come by.


The last half of your post is dead on. FLYi is in big,big trouble.

 

[neflier]

Two points:

1.If the month is short than you have "less" available seats to sell in the month. Thus your LF numbers are impacted.

2. Complete morons are very easy to come by.


The last half of your post is dead on. FLYi is in big,big trouble.

1. LF is the ratio of seats sold to total available seats. If Feb had three more days, and all things being equal, that ratio would not change. You are correct that a shorter month has less total seats to sell, but it also has less days to get pax into those seats, therefore, the ration remains the same.

2. You got me there, complete morons are easy to come by. All I have to do is look at ACA middle mgt.

 

[Angus]

Pyleofit Speaks...

How about you are an asshole!
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As usual the mentally inferior cannot make a single point without using profanity....... LOL!!

 

[kingair350capt]

You guys are arguing with numbnuts and anus. Keep it up, it's fun to see people make complete fools of themselves.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

You guys are arguing with nuts and anus

where's the kawk in all of this?

 

[Angus]

Kingair captain...... really?!

You guys are arguing with numbnuts and anus. Keep it up, it's fun to see people make complete fools of themselves.

LOL!! You mean "fools" as in people who brag and label themselves as a "Kingair 350 Captain".....? LOL!

We're all certainly proud of you for that accomplishment... We didn't know there was such a title.... LOL!