FLOPS Union Busting

[dime line]

XP I hope your right

 

[Guitar rocker]

As a resident of Texas I'd just like to say that the Texas Ass-licker is in no way representative of the great people and pilots I know from Texas.

I second that! Or third or wherever I am line for the many that think this kid is an embarrassment to TX.

 

[Texasskicker]

Semore:

As a resident of Texas I'd just like to say that the Texas Ass-licker is in no way representative of the great people and pilots I know from Texas.

May I remind you of a quote you made here: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=875882&postcount=16

You are right on Muth&^%&*%&!!!!!!

These ^*^(%$&%^ers need to lighten up!!!!


I don't personally attack anyone verbally, (that I recall anyway, except that one low life muth^*&^(*&^ ahole)

When you post an opinion in a public forum you should be expecting an alternate point of view. (I'm sure I'll get one here)

As I recall the most often used explative on a cockpit recorder is $hit!

I do think we should be tolerant of each other. It is very difficult sometimes to actually get the intent of you message across with the "lack of inflection)" that comes with typed conversation.

I don't mind foul language, I don't like it directed at people though, unless the y are my buds, (you know "hey %&% you man", ", no 435$%^%$ you man"!!!!!

But hey Fu^&*kin "A"! I'm on vacation and drinking beer.

HAHAHAHAHA, I'm talking to my wife and we agree, don't let your "Bullshoot filter " get clogged!!!!

Take a chill, don't get excited. There are people dying for your freedom to bitch, whine and complain about whatever.

I served my time, and I'm headed back again, so hurting you feelings here are not really high on my priority list.

If the language is to strong, go to the Sesame street board, by the same token, if you have to cuss someone to get your point across, then you should probably beef up your original point.

Holey &^*^&^$%^$#^%$#@, this has to be my all time best incoherent ramble!!!!!!

Take care, Semore

I do not appreciate the verbal assault. However, here in the fantasy world of Flightinfo.com, it is to be expected.

Good day.

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

OK boys...less flame, more debate. If this thread spins outta control we'll have to close it, and that would be a shame.

 

[FracCapt]

This vote will be a landslide.

I can't necessarily agree with you regarding a landslide. I have spoken with many people that want no part of a Union. Based on my discussions, I'm estimating 55-65% yes votes - not a landslide by any means, IMO.....but enough to accomplish the desired end result.

I hope I'm wrong, and you're right....but I don't think that will be the case.

Unfortunately, I have to say that length of time with the company and original company seem to play a major role in these decisions. I've heard references to a "feeling of loyalty" to the company by several people...which I don't understand.

 

[XPGuy]

My prediction is between 65-75%. In the past 2 rotations, I have found ONE pilot that will not vote for the union - and I've probably spoken personally to maybe 30.


Luckily, we only need 409 votes to win this thing, actually less, because we will be losing quite a few pilots between now and the vote.

 

[FLYLOW22]

My prediction is between 65-75%. In the past 2 rotations, I have found ONE pilot that will not vote for the union - and I've probably spoken personally to maybe 30.


Luckily, we only need 409 votes to win this thing, actually less, because we will be losing quite a few pilots between now and the vote.

The initial vote will be north of 75% IMHO. Those will be your hardcore guys who get it. There will likely be a 10-15% margin voting "with the crowd" on future issues. The remaining percentage is made up of the ones who are braindead.

 

[tubelcane]

Let me just say as an Options pilot for over 2 years, they need a union. I don't know if the Teamsters are the answer, but they definitely need some representation. I recently left Options, but want to see things work out for the guys/gals there. It comes down to a simple question, do you think Options management can be trusted and/or cares about your future? Now each person can answer that for themselves. But I think we all know the answer. My only question to the guys who don't support representation is, what are you thinking?

 

[Wyatt]

If the idiots at FLOPs would just spend the money they are wasting on "union busting" on a few programs to keep their workers (specifically the pilot group) happy they could save millions just with the increased productivity alone. No one gives a s**t anymore. If there isnt a increase in percieved QOL soon nothing will turn things around. The union is the last, best hope that FLOPs has to get things back on track. :angryfire

 

[IronManNDFW]

Ok boys & girls. As a resident of North Texas, A$$ licker suckered you in. Publisher is none better.

Pub: Even if "Mother" does sell us, we will still go with a BINDING CONTRACT and we will have protection. The buyers will have to honor that contract, so they will know what they are getting. We know we wil be protected by any other shysters out there like Ford & Harrison.

Now before you trip a breaker, I know that works with a Teamster represented company and it's merger clauses. However consider this, 1108 is not your normal local. It is for Fractional or Condo Jet operations only. That is why we are throwing in with them. Like for Like. Get it?

We will never get a QOL "raise." Shawn has seen the light that if we keep beeting down the pilots they will keep taking it. May I remind you of the Tiear 3 pilots we lost, and the tiear 2 that they want to close down also. I can remember back when I overheard the Presients of both RTA & FO saying "I could run this place better without those damn pilots!" Oh really? Remember before the merger KR told a RTA pilot by the name of Bobby Sides that "He will be the best Union Steward that we could ever expect to have." Yea, and look at what that has brought us too. Not I'm not saying it was all KR's fault, but with "Mother" in control you will only be able to do what she says, and that means makeing working conditions the worst in teh country, including Wal-Mart.

Don't get me started on waste, mismanagement, lies, violations of the FAR's, lack of support from CGF, etc.

So I say VOTE 1108!

 

[AeroBoy]

More fuel for the debate: http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/02_06/02_06_flightoptions_4.htm

 

[netjetwife]

A landslide wouldn't be surprising at all. Once discontent reaches a high enough level to prompt a group of pilots to step up and lead the group, you can figure there's enough support out there to make their efforts worth the time involved. Given the amount of days that frac pilots spend away from home, they tend to be very selective in the causes they donate their limited time to. Options pilots have had long enough to decide there must be a better way of solving their problems than leaving all the decisions up to management. Active participation in your career seems to be a natural choice for pilots.

Best of luck!
NJW

 

[DO-82 driver]

I had the opportunity to meet quite a few FLOP's guys this week. Everyone of them were more than enthusiastic about voting Local 1108 onto the property. These guys weren't just being polite, they were very strong willed and had very strong opinions concerning the furture of their Company and their careers.

The NetJets folks and FLOP's folks are very much alike.......I wish all those at FLOP's people the best in securing the types of futures you all deserve.

 

[RNObased]

The NetJets folks and FLOP's folks are very much alike.......I wish all those at FLOP's people the best in securing the types of futures you all deserve.

Really NJA crews and Flops's crew are very much alike..... In the regard that we are both pilots, yes. Other then that...... Well I would say there is big difference between us.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Really NJA crews and Flops's crew are very much alike..... In the regard that we are both pilots, yes. Other then that...... Well I would say there is big difference between us.

What, in your opinion, are the differences between Flops and NJA crews? I'm just curious as to what your reasoning is.