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FLOPS Management, You Will Be Sued AND Lose

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skanza said:
Thanks for hating me too. You are more than welcome to hate mgmt for your own reasons, just don't belittle my reason for not hating them. I just don't happen to agree with the union's anti-management mentality that's based soley on the fact that they're management, the must be against us.
I now can classify you with the other "calling people names on the internet" people. This is becoming boring...
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Skanza, I can live with you classifying me as someone who calls people names on the internet. You have proven where you stand and who you side with. Even after everything FLOPs management has done to its pilots and employees this weekend you still support management. I have more respect for a damp smelly dish rag than I do for someone like you.
 
Fr8Dog, how frustrating for you! The FUD mill is a huge industry. I wonder how much money that should have gone to the Options pilotgroup has been wasted by the FLOPS? :mad:

The Fudspinner is on my ignore list so I didn't realize he was still annoying you guys with his BS posts about my family. The NJ pilots know that my husband flies the line (out right now) and does Union work. And as far as the stipend (that barely covers what a pilot can make in OT, holiday pay, etc) goes, NJASAP leaders don't receive it even though they're working for the pilotgroup just as much as they did in 1108. So let's see...we're down over $5,000 so far...but we still contributed to the NJASAP fund and to the account set up for the Options pilots. (I encourage NJ pilots to donate to those worthy causes). While I'm documenting my family's selfishness and greed...:rolleyes: I should add that my husband lost out on $10,000 of income because his joint-committee projects to help the Company meant he was a year behind or so in becoming an instructor. Not to mention all the lost OT, holiday pay before the Union starting trying to offset lost income from volunteer service to the pilotgroup. Now that I've dealt with that red herring, let's expose the rest of the FUD stinking up this thread.

1108 gave the Options pilots a fighting chance and the best hope they had to WIN (as in achieve despite an uphill battle) a fair contract. Union leaders can only show pilots the way; they still had to staff their committees, become a tight group, and stand up to management's sleazy tactics --directed by the union-busting firm F&H. The Options pilotgroup has had their work cut out for them, but they have made steady progress. They know exactly who has been trying to destroy their will to fight corporate greed. The understandably irate threads on the subject are pointing straight to the Sheering Gang and their thug behavior expressly designed to harm the FltOps pilots and families. The village idiot can stand in the square spouting nonsense but those under fire know exactly where the rounds are coming from.

Options pilots can unfortunately, but easily, identify with the following passage from Confessions Of A Union Buster: "I come from a very dirty business. The enemy was the collective spirit. I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a united work force. ...the war they suspected was being waged against them was a real one....supervisors were taught to despise and fear unions...This manipulation is just one of the dirty tricks that have transformed the war on organized labor into a billion-dollar industry...of ruthless campaigns of treachery and terror..."

With respect for those on the frontline,
Netjetwife
 
birddogg01 said:
Skanza, ... I have more respect for a damp smelly dish rag than I do for someone like you.
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BD, I discovered Skanza's anti-pilot, pro-management attitudes when the NJA pilots were at the bargaining table. The good thing about distinct lines is that it's easy to spot which side a person chooses to stand on. The FLOPS have made it clear that there's no more middle ground.
On your side,
NJW


THE OPTIONS PILOTGROUP HOLDS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WHILE THE FLOPS DELIBERATELY HARM CAREERS AND FAMILIES

WE ALL KNOW WHO SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE BOOT......:mad:
 
Can anyone confirm that Linda $ (vacation woman) was also let go from the office.

Or Rick F from the training department?
It was Rick F that was doing the road trips to DAL to tell the pilots that they should trust management. If so that would be ironic.
 
It is never good to hear of people being laid off or terminated. The impact on families and the breadwinner are tremendous. There is no joy either for managing these type things either. For all the talk about union non-union, the fact is that if NJ ahd to terminate 200 pilots due to the economy sinking, would it make much difference because they are a union organization. All this talk is pretty unproductive but I guess it lets people vent. Businesses fail for a lot of reasons, some valid, some poor management, bad calls, regulations change, values change, all kinds of things. They rarely fail because someone wants to beat up employees.
 
Or Rick F from the training department?
It was Rick F that was doing the road trips to DAL to tell the pilots that they should trust management. If so that would be ironic.
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Rick F was fired for refusing to participate in Black Friday.....
 
L$ in Headquarters

Jetwash,

Linda $ (L$) is my identical twin sister (she calls me her "evil" twin) and is alive, well, and working at headquarters. She apppreciates your concern...Good luck.

L$'s Evil Twin
 
motoxdale said:
Jetwash,

Linda $ (L$) is my identical twin sister (she calls me her "evil" twin) and is alive, well, and working at headquarters. She apppreciates your concern...Good luck.

L$'s Evil Twin
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Thats good for her.
She was always fair, even when I disagreed with her I knew that her hands were tied.



Any word on who else from the office was let go?
How many? And which managers if any?
 
chingaso said:
They should, seriously, be ashamed of themselves.

But, what goes around comes around. I don't think any of the mental giants running Flight Options have realized what they just did to their dwindling credibility. For a company that was already suffering from horrible PR, they just secured for themselves the certain reputation of being a scum-bag operation and NO new customers are going to be beating down the door to do business with them.

They have just demonstrated to the rest of the aviation industry, and hell, the entire business community of the United States, that they've run a company so pitifully that they "had" to lay off employees. Flight Options is laying off employees while other fractionals are expanding and hiring and buying more planes and gaining new customers and making profits. And this is the best that these people can do...

How pathetic. They just announced to the enitre world: "we are hopelessly incompetent, and do not have what it takes to run a company, and cannot succesfully administrate our business. We suck real bad, everybody."

These bastards hurt people; wives and children. They are just as bad as rapists, child molesters, wife beaters, and terrorists. Not one centimeter higher on the human scale. Not one.

Greed and pride at its very worst. How sickening. How utterly pathetic.
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They haven't had credibility since 2001. I remember how everyone told me I should go to work there (or ASA.) "It's the highest paid fractional!" How times have changed...
 
skanza

pull your head out of your spider hole

FLOPS has been going out of busines and morfing into the MESA of business aviation for at least 2 years while the other frax have chosen to take the "high road" --- the "low rent option" Scheeringa has chosen will lead to the company ceasing operations before the 2012 plan gets to 2010 --- you have to have customers.......
 
someone with sense...

Publishers said:
It is never good to hear of people being laid off or terminated. The impact on families and the breadwinner are tremendous. There is no joy either for managing these type things either. For all the talk about union non-union, the fact is that if NJ ahd to terminate 200 pilots due to the economy sinking, would it make much difference because they are a union organization. All this talk is pretty unproductive but I guess it lets people vent. Businesses fail for a lot of reasons, some valid, some poor management, bad calls, regulations change, values change, all kinds of things. They rarely fail because someone wants to beat up employees.
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This is the kind of thing I'm trying to say too. Just an objective view that doesn't support management or the union. But since there's so much union support here, any bit of defense I give to management is taken way too far.
Thanks Publishers...
 
it's a shame what happened to RF, what about JW? did he survive the fallout?
 
ProFracPilot said:
Yes, he did. Rick was the only casualty to that department.
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well from what i heard, RF fostered a good working relationship with the faa. It will be interesting to see how things carry on. I know from my experience, JW is a good guy but it is sad to see someone put in that position. Then again, it is commendable to see someone stand firm behind their morals. It is just a shame what happened as a result!
 

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