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FLOPS management does it again!!!!

petebest

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I can't believe this! After all the whining about how they can't afford to pay their pilots reasonable salaries (as they've always promised), they have found yet another way to throw away money.
As this is being written, a Flight Options Beechjet is flying the Vice President of Safety and Security and his family from Ohio to Jackson Wyoming for a one week vacation at a cost of approximately $16K. This VP is a Flops pilot on the seniority list (#182). Apparently he is not bothered that a couple hundred of his fellow pilots are sitting a home, furloughed, without pay or benefits.
It wasn't too long ago that BT and his wife took a Beechjet vacation to Hilton Head and Florida. I lose track of KR, but when he's not bouncing between his various homes, he is in Europe, Asia or Alaska. I can't vouch for his mode of travel in every case, but I'll bet he's not riding coach.
 

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wow...what a jerk.

sure would be nice to head this stuff off and do some picketing the next place they show up at. WITH media in tow.

no wonder they need a union WITH a contract.
 
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What the hell is starkey doing rideing in the back of a beechjet, and takeing a vacation on the company!! He'll get a pice of my mind next time I see him, maybe kick the sh#@ out of him!!!
 

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It looks like some Flight Options pilots are the highest paid in the industry.
 
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When can you guys officially STRIKE????? Time to show them some old school tactics... This sounds like a broken record.
 

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wow...what a jerk.

sure would be nice to head this stuff off and do some picketing the next place they show up at. WITH media in tow.

no wonder they need a union WITH a contract.


It would be nice if you guys picketed and ran ads throug the media..But your 1108 leader doesnt seem to have any interest in representing his pilots in this fashion...Can you say " No Balls"
But he expects everyone to shell out dues every month..
 

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It never seems to end

Flight Options Management came to the negotiating table in August with NOTHING. They say they don't have the money, but they're giving free airplane rides, getting new paint jobs, new ties, shoes etc. I am astounded that there are Flops pilots out there that aren't about to explode. I guess some are spineless girly men who will let just about anyone walk all over them. Ya gotta wonder what kind of sissies would take that kind of crap from anyone, year after year after year...
 

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I can't believe this! After all the whining about how they can't afford to pay their pilots reasonable salaries (as they've always promised), they have found yet another way to throw away money.
As this is being written, a Flight Options Beechjet is flying the Vice President of Safety and Security and his family from Ohio to Jackson Wyoming for a one week vacation at a cost of approximately $16K. This VP is a Flops pilot on the seniority list (#182). Apparently he is not bothered that a couple hundred of his fellow pilots are sitting a home, furloughed, without pay or benefits.
It wasn't too long ago that BT and his wife took a Beechjet vacation to Hilton Head and Florida. I lose track of KR, but when he's not bouncing between his various homes, he is in Europe, Asia or Alaska. I can't vouch for his mode of travel in every case, but I'll bet he's not riding coach.

First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.
 

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What the hell is starkey doing rideing in the back of a beechjet, and takeing a vacation on the company!! He'll get a pice of my mind next time I see him, maybe kick the sh#@ out of him!!!


Sure you will...
 

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First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.


either way, he may as well say f*ck Off!! to all the guys that are out of work. As long as ricci gets his.

Just because it's legal, dont make it right.

The business I have and if i furloughed a lotta people, I sure wouldnt be wiping my own ass with $100 bills.

This just shows a really piss poor quality of a leader.

I feel really bad for you guys to have to see that kinda waste with furloughed pilots.

skanza, PM me and i can check your posts first so you dont make so many ignorant posts.
 
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Hey S

"First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing. "


First off the crew who flew him told me!! Second what compensation package...I work for FO I dont have this so called package! The facts are your a suck a$$ who would do the same thing. Take a vacation on the company dime with people out of work and no 401k..!!
 

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First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.

You are right!! This guy deserves everything he gets and then some, after all he is leading the company to the promised land...

Why the hell not fly the jets around with his family on board, this may be his last chance to fly private. After mangement drives this company into the ground he is going to have to fly commerical like the rest of us, which we all know sucks.
 

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we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp.....
 

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we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp.....

What!!!?? Huh?? Wow, sorry I must have missed that. Something like that didn't even compute, I guess. Nevermind me bashing mangement then.
What the heck is going on over there?? Did he save the CEO from drowning or something??
 

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we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp..... So I guess that crew told you about this trip too, right?[/QUOTE]


I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.

I know I'll be hated for this one. Bring it.
 

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yeah they should be able to do that crap.....otherwise they wouldnt need a union.
 

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...I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.


He's a middle manager at best, and he still holds a position on the seniority list. It is a perk that is usually well beyond his level. It is also a perk that is taxable if it isn't for business purposes, and it's gonna be hard to justify business purposes for his family. Even if he is doing research or something for the APG profiles, he should have taken an airliner... his time isn't that valuable.
 
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