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petebest

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I can't believe this! After all the whining about how they can't afford to pay their pilots reasonable salaries (as they've always promised), they have found yet another way to throw away money.
As this is being written, a Flight Options Beechjet is flying the Vice President of Safety and Security and his family from Ohio to Jackson Wyoming for a one week vacation at a cost of approximately $16K. This VP is a Flops pilot on the seniority list (#182). Apparently he is not bothered that a couple hundred of his fellow pilots are sitting a home, furloughed, without pay or benefits.
It wasn't too long ago that BT and his wife took a Beechjet vacation to Hilton Head and Florida. I lose track of KR, but when he's not bouncing between his various homes, he is in Europe, Asia or Alaska. I can't vouch for his mode of travel in every case, but I'll bet he's not riding coach.
 
wow...what a jerk.

sure would be nice to head this stuff off and do some picketing the next place they show up at. WITH media in tow.

no wonder they need a union WITH a contract.
 
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What the hell is starkey doing rideing in the back of a beechjet, and takeing a vacation on the company!! He'll get a pice of my mind next time I see him, maybe kick the sh#@ out of him!!!
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It looks like some Flight Options pilots are the highest paid in the industry.
 
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When can you guys officially STRIKE????? Time to show them some old school tactics... This sounds like a broken record.
 
brokeflyer said:
wow...what a jerk.

sure would be nice to head this stuff off and do some picketing the next place they show up at. WITH media in tow.

no wonder they need a union WITH a contract.
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It would be nice if you guys picketed and ran ads throug the media..But your 1108 leader doesnt seem to have any interest in representing his pilots in this fashion...Can you say " No Balls"
But he expects everyone to shell out dues every month..
 
It never seems to end

Flight Options Management came to the negotiating table in August with NOTHING. They say they don't have the money, but they're giving free airplane rides, getting new paint jobs, new ties, shoes etc. I am astounded that there are Flops pilots out there that aren't about to explode. I guess some are spineless girly men who will let just about anyone walk all over them. Ya gotta wonder what kind of sissies would take that kind of crap from anyone, year after year after year...
 
petebest said:
I can't believe this! After all the whining about how they can't afford to pay their pilots reasonable salaries (as they've always promised), they have found yet another way to throw away money.
As this is being written, a Flight Options Beechjet is flying the Vice President of Safety and Security and his family from Ohio to Jackson Wyoming for a one week vacation at a cost of approximately $16K. This VP is a Flops pilot on the seniority list (#182). Apparently he is not bothered that a couple hundred of his fellow pilots are sitting a home, furloughed, without pay or benefits.
It wasn't too long ago that BT and his wife took a Beechjet vacation to Hilton Head and Florida. I lose track of KR, but when he's not bouncing between his various homes, he is in Europe, Asia or Alaska. I can't vouch for his mode of travel in every case, but I'll bet he's not riding coach.
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First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.
 
skanza said:
First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.
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either way, he may as well say f*ck Off!! to all the guys that are out of work. As long as ricci gets his.

Just because it's legal, dont make it right.

The business I have and if i furloughed a lotta people, I sure wouldnt be wiping my own ass with $100 bills.

This just shows a really piss poor quality of a leader.

I feel really bad for you guys to have to see that kinda waste with furloughed pilots.

skanza, PM me and i can check your posts first so you dont make so many ignorant posts.
 
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Hey S

"First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing. "


First off the crew who flew him told me!! Second what compensation package...I work for FO I dont have this so called package! The facts are your a suck a$$ who would do the same thing. Take a vacation on the company dime with people out of work and no 401k..!!
 
skanza said:
First off, how do you know these details and how can we expect them to be accurate? Second, if this story is true, perhaps it's part of his compensation package. You should get all the facts before you run off making silly, whiney complaints about what other people are doing.
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You are right!! This guy deserves everything he gets and then some, after all he is leading the company to the promised land...

Why the hell not fly the jets around with his family on board, this may be his last chance to fly private. After mangement drives this company into the ground he is going to have to fly commerical like the rest of us, which we all know sucks.
 
RNO

we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp.....
 
onetimer said:
RNO

we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp.....
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What!!!?? Huh?? Wow, sorry I must have missed that. Something like that didn't even compute, I guess. Nevermind me bashing mangement then.
What the heck is going on over there?? Did he save the CEO from drowning or something??
 
onetimer said:
RNO

we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp..... So I guess that crew told you about this trip too, right?[/QUOTE]


I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.

I know I'll be hated for this one. Bring it.
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skanza said:
...I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.
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He's a middle manager at best, and he still holds a position on the seniority list. It is a perk that is usually well beyond his level. It is also a perk that is taxable if it isn't for business purposes, and it's gonna be hard to justify business purposes for his family. Even if he is doing research or something for the APG profiles, he should have taken an airliner... his time isn't that valuable.
 
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skanza said:
onetimer said:
RNO

we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp..... So I guess that crew told you about this trip too, right?[/QUOTE]


I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.

I know I'll be hated for this one. Bring it.
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Bring it??? what are you in High school. The fact is your a brown nose suckass end of subject! O and the crew did tell me..i'v got more if you need to know..time will tell of the true you...we have eyes and ears on everthing... see ya..
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skanza said:
onetimer said:
RNO

we are not talking about the CEO we are talking about a line pilot and his family.

O by the way the family went home yesterday on a Hawker 800xp..... So I guess that crew told you about this trip too, right?[/QUOTE]


I still don't buy it. If it was in fact who you say it was on this flight, he's not a line pilot, he's part of senior management - that gets to do these things. Like I've said in the past, we're hired to fly the airplanes regardless of who's on board (after passing the screening process). If your tour consisted of moving parts around the country to support other planes or to tour colleges for an exec's kid, it shouldn't matter. Just fly and like it, that's the job.

I know I'll be hated for this one. Bring it.
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Just when I think that you have outdone yourself, you surpass your idiot self and reaffirm that you're a management plant that's too stupid to be given another task.
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993_Pilot said:
He's a middle manager at best, and he still holds a position on the seniority list. It is a perk that is usually well beyond his level. It is also a perk that is taxable if it isn't for business purposes, and it's gonna be hard to justify business purposes for his family. Even if he is doing research or something for the APG profiles, he should have taken an airliner... his time isn't that valuable.
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Will anyone at FLOPS have the balls to turn him in if it's a BS trip? How the IRS would love to handle this one or even a news agency in the CLE area.
It's BS that someone from the pilot ranks would turn on his fellow buds.
 
QOL_is_great:) said:
Will anyone at FLOPS have the balls to turn him in if it's a BS trip? How the IRS would love to handle this one or even a news agency in the CLE area.
It's BS that someone from the pilot ranks would turn on his fellow buds.
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It's not about whether anyone will turn him in. I don't know anything about the circumstances. Hell, he may have even paid for the trip for all I know. I was just calling B.S. on Skanza's idea that he is "Senior Management" and that it's just one of the perks.

Secondly, it was a poor use of company resources, even if he was on company business of some kind.

Most importantly, it shows that the company isn't struggling as much as they would have us all believe, regardless of the reasons for the trip.
 
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And look for the limited platinum skumza edition 100 ways to preflight a beechjet to be released on 11-08.
 
I'd be really concerned about your personal life...

dime line said:
I can find the 50 ways to preflight a BJ, already in print
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Ya know dime line... if I didn't know that you were talking about an airplane I'd be really concerned about your personal life...
 
Yea ok B19, we will have to give it to ya. Better yet B19 I know you have a copy of that preflight page, go ahead and post it here for us to see.
 

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