FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[WabiSabi]

It shows how much the union didn't care about how much money the company spent because it was completely stagnated by negotiations.

No union, no negotiations, no charter costs.

Problem solved.

Typical management myopia.

It's more like:

Management stalls negotiations, engages campaign of intimidation and FUD, backs pilots into corner, planes have to be chartered.

A more accurate statement is:

No incorrigible management, management stops dragging feet on the inevitable, then no charter costs.

Sorry BOB, the pilots are exercising their right to representation and collective bargaining per the RLA. If you don't like it, take your laissez-faire management fascism to another country, scab.



BTW; still waiting for you to address the other points......scab

 

[CaveoFalco]

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No union, no negotiations, no charter costs.

Spoken like a plantation owner of 1863.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Make no mistake, all serious labor negotiations are (almost entirely) about ego. Please do not think they are about lifestyle, profits, fair pay, etc. It doesn't matter whether it is pilots and management, players and teams, teachers and schools, auto workers and manufacturers. It is about the ego at the top of both side handling the negotiations.

Fly safe.

I very much agree with what you say. The non-union carrier I work for is focused on getting the job done, and with that comes the life style, profits and satisfaction of a job well done.

Once a contract is in place, ultimately, fractional owners, such as you are the ones that the costs are passed along to.

The union mongers on this board continually talk about the unlimited wealth of the owners and how the market and potential for growth is unlimited, thus the funds will always be available to support the high wages and very conservative work rules demanded by a union.

You've read what I've stated, and my concerns about any union becoming involved in an industry that is still budding. When the adjustment occurs, unions will not react as quick as a non-union entity in adjusting to market pressures, and the entire industry will falter.
The business model has only been somewhat successful with one frac over the long term, and that is NJ. Even long term, the model has only existed in it's current regulatory format for a short period of time.

As an owner and an end user, I'm certain that you must be concerned about the state of the industry and are keenly watching the entire picture, not just that of FLOPS. Each time a union enters one of the very few fractionals in existance, it has the potential of driving up cost to you, the end user. There is a certain point where the costs will rise to the point where owning your own airplane and crew is much more efficient than being involved in a fractional program such as NJ.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Spoken like a plantation owner of 1863.

In 1863 there was a civil war that began over rising costs, taxation and the distribution of natural resources. That had nothing to do about negotiations, it was all about winning or losing, just like NJW alluded to.

In that war, just like when organized labor comes onto a property, there are no winners, and the pain to resurrect the damage caused took decades and to some extent has never been healed.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Typical management myopia.

It's more like:

Management stalls negotiations, engages campaign of intimidation and FUD, backs pilots into corner, planes have to be chartered.

A more accurate statement is:

No incorrigible management, management stops dragging feet on the inevitable, then no charter costs.

Sorry BOB, the pilots are exercising their right to representation and collective bargaining per the RLA. If you don't like it, take your laissez-faire management fascism to another country, scab.



BTW; still waiting for you to address the other points......scab

That doesn't seem to be consistent with all of the honorable posts made about the relationship between 1108 and NJ on these boards.

The article was specific about the NJ negotiations process and the high cost involved when pilots didn't give 100% and the cost of the contract was unknown.

In one post, you decimated all the good things that have been stated about 1108. No wonder there are so many problems with the union intervention at FLOPS.

 

[TheBigMan]

The union mongers on this board continually talk about the unlimited wealth of the owners and how the market and potential for growth is unlimited, thus the funds will always be available to support the high wages and very conservative work rules demanded by a union.

Make no mistake, IT WAS THE "FLOPS MANANGEMENT MONGERS" that used their corporate wealth/greed to hide a safety issue.

What about the incident in ANJ, Sault Ste Marie, MI on Oct. 18/2007 where the Captain, former Program Manager (EMAY) sucked an engine plug, flew the plane for 5 days, then Bilger throws him behind the ASAP program, and the incident was seen by two "IAs"?

No 501's?

Limitations exceeded?

Passengers flown?

Captain performing maintenance on N443LX with no documentation?

How do you think the entire Pilot group and the Owner's feel?

PRICELESS!

 

[WabiSabi]

In one post, you decimated all the good things that have been stated about 1108.

You are really reaching and shooting blind. I'll entertain your anti union moron-athon. How did I "decimate all the good things that have been stated about 1108?"

and, BOB, "because I said so" doesn't cut it.....scab

No wonder there are so many problems with the union intervention at FLOPS.

Well no, the problems come from management cutting pay, benefits, domiciles, hotels, QOL etc. Management's attempted preservation of the old status quo of directing hostility and intimidation to pilots that operated in a safe and legal manner doesn't help either.







BTW; still waiting for you to address the other points......scab

 

[dime line]

Make no mistake, IT WAS THE "FLOPS MANANGEMENT MONGERS" that used their corporate wealth/greed to hide a safety issue.

What about the incident in ANJ, Sault Ste Marie, MI on Oct. 18/2007 where the Captain, former Program Manager (EMAY) sucked an engine plug, flew the plane for 5 days, then Bilger throws him behind the ASAP program, and the incident was seen by two "IAs"?

No 501's?

Limitations exceeded?

Passengers flown?

Captain performing maintenance on N443LX with no documentation?

How do you think the entire Pilot group and the Owner's feel?

PRICELESS!

I think the union hasn't dropped this one!

 

[bchjetdrvr]

:laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22654256@N08/2175374972/sizes/o/

 

[CaveoFalco]

In 1863 there was a civil war that began over rising costs, taxation and the distribution of natural resources. That had nothing to do about negotiations, it was all about winning or losing, just like NJW alluded to.

In that war, just like when organized labor comes onto a property, there are no winners, and the pain to resurrect the damage caused took decades and to some extent has never been healed.

That war was states rights and oppression via slavery. Not surprised you don't see that either since the repulsiveness of slave labor does not part of your vernacular.