FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[MCOE175]

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

 

[Dirty Dingus]

Read everything you can find about FLOP!!! Like some said before..... Run Forest Run!!!!!:laugh:

 

[Ticker]

Flops doesn't have aircraft bases. It's a "nomadic" fleet. The pilots are home based (sort of).

I doubt your contact is flops.

 

[MCOE175]

It is flight ops that called... They said they were looking to fill the MIA base... I didn't know that they didn't have ac there that is why i was asking... why would u doubt it?

 

[Ticker]

I doubted it was Options because Flight Options does not "base" planes anywhere.

They're like U-Haul trucks (in more ways than one). They don't have crew bases (per se). I don't know how may airports exactly they'll allow their crews to commute out of. Used to be a lot, now it's like 30 or 40.

I have no idea what they're telling their prospective new hires. They like to make things up as they go.

They do have mx bases. CGF, TEB, PBI, LAS, McClellan in Sacramento (forgot the identifier MCC I think).

The only thing I can think of is that it might be for a new thing they're doing. Apparently, they are trying to get into the "managed" aircraft buisness. That might explain it.

Anyone considering that might want to talk to the folks over at Principal Financial if I'm not mistaken. Principal took a plane back from flops that was on leaseback. MAJOR problems on the inspection. If I remember correctly, a former flops guy went to work there and was flying for Principal when this took place.

If it's Flight Options, run away. Read a few of the many threads here on them. I assure you, as bad as the many threads may sound, I have yet to read one that was untrue.

 

[NJAowner]

FLOPS new owner HIG Capital is headquartered in Miami. Maybe they want a number of jets always available for their use.

 

[Frac Cap]

I believe that could be true. There may be another yet to be announced managed aircraft to be based in MIA. But if this is the case, then they are actively pursuing pilots outside of the current pilots that we have on the dwindling seniority list here at Flight Options.

Once again, this is not good for the poor labor relations. I am hearing that we are currently loosing many pilots that are in the double digits. Even Captains in the Legacy are poised to leave. I have yet to see anything positive from the management side to try to turn the tide.

To Management that reads this, you may have your head in the sand and not have people under you that will be honest to you about just how bad things are. But each tour, things are getting worse and worse for moral and the daily operations of the company. Everyone is talking about leaving, and I mean everyone I talk to. From co-pilots to senior captains. I'm told Net Jets now has more than 300 of our pilots resumes on file. That's more than half of our current pilot roster. What are you doing? What is you plan? Just don't talk to us, because most of us no longer believe you. show us you want to do the right thing to save this company before it's too late. It is getting ugly out here, and know one likes to work in an atmosphere like this. It is bad for moral, and it is bad for business.

As I have said before, I too am now planing on leaving. Not that I want to, but because I think this company is going to a place where it can't return. Some of us are willing to try to save this company. I will do my part if you will. Net Jets learned their lesson, and everyone is better off for it. They have a thriving business. If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Frac Cap]

sorry, duplicate post

 

[CALRepublic]

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

They got into the aircraft management business, just like Executive jet management. Someone owns the aircraft, he's probably out of MIA.

If you have a job right now, you're better off just waiting for something better to come along. Exec Jet managment would be a better deal than FLOPS, they have accounts all over the place (Falcons, Challengers, Sovereign, etc), and their benefit-package is as good as NJ, FREE......

 

[HSDriver]

Tier One Airport

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

KMIA is a "Tier One" Domicile for Options so it could be that they are hiring now for that domicile. That is my guess. That doesn't mean that the aircraft are based there or that you will always fly from Miami. Quite the contrary is what to expect.

HS

 

[On Your Six]

It is flight ops that called... They said they were looking to fill the MIA base... I didn't know that they didn't have ac there that is why i was asking... why would u doubt it?

If I were you, I wouldn't go to FLOPS unless you are unemployed, broke and desparate. Otherwise, I would stay at your current job, apply to Netjets, Flexjet, Citationshares and Avantair - all have MIA/FLL domiciles and all respect their pilots a lot more than FLOPS. Just keep this mind: FLOPS has the worst workplace reputation in the industry (low pay, fire pilots at will, zero respect, etc.). Compare and contrast the fractionals for yourself:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.info/airlines/fractional.html

Attrition has been high for a good reason. Serious changes will have to take place to right this ship - but don't expect any soon. And do yourself a huge favor and read the other thread (you may have to search for it) about the latest FLOPS newhire class - a pilot was fired during class. Good luck.

 

[flagshipper]

It just amazes me that even with every other thread being about how bad FLOPS sucks that every day some guy posts wondering about what kind of place it is to work at. I just cant figure out the reasoning. Also for the airline types they cannot grasp the basing system. In the fractional world no airplane is based in any one city. You will be airlining most of the time to an aircraft. Companies choose bases based on the airline prices, number of pilots, and regional alignment with flying activity. You are not being hired into a particular aircraft to fly out of a particular place. Sure the company may say 30 percent of our pilots are based west of the Mississippi but 40 percent of our flying is there so we need more guys out west. Good luck to the current FLOPS pilots and for the rest of you take a hint and stay away!!!

 

[guido411]

It still seems nobody has answered this poor chap's question. . .

Most assuredly, unless they are hiring for a managed aircraft (which they would have told you about) you would be placed in a Beechjet.

Now use the other posts that litter this board about the QOL of Flops and make an EDUCATED decision to STAY AWAY!

 

[Dingo221]

So far I have only heard that we are only looking for pilots in ATL, LAS and DEN.
I have not received anycompany E mails concerning any positions in MIA for a possible plane in management !

 

[Ticker]

FLOPS new owner HIG Capital is headquartered in Miami. Maybe they want a number of jets always available for their use.

I'll bet you're right. Anyone currently flying for options will not be offered the "managed" slots from what I've heard. I forgot about the managed airplane thing they were exploring.

Frac Cap is "Nutz On" in his observation...in more ways than one I guess :nuts:

 

[Whoosh!]

FLOPS is going nowhere but down

 

[netjetwife]

It doesn't have to be that way. Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules. That's all it takes for the focus to shift to building the company instead of tearing down the morale of its front line workforce.

In the meantime, from a family perspective, I agree with the notion of avoiding Options if you're looking for a job. There's too much financial uncertainty there until the pilots win a contract. A family has to be able to plan their future around a known income.

Best Wishes to Flt Ops pilots whose cause is entirely justified! Dig in your heels!
NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

........ There's too much financial uncertainty there until the pilots win a contract. NJW

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

 

[dime line]

FLOPS is going nowhere but down

Seeems like management is speeding up the process!

 

[dime line]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW? Since when is it about fair? Are you being fair Bob with the pilot group? i don't think so

No, with a Company it's all about winning

If the Company Defeates A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers. The company already does enough to piss off owners, so you and your goons are already "creating financial uncertainty

That's the Company way.

......

 

[Hobbes]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

FUD FLINGER! It might be kool aid flavored, but it is still FUD!

 

[RNObased]

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

Fairness, you want to talk about fairness, B19??? How about treating your crews with the respect they deserve??? Has that thought ever occured to you??

I'm sure that NO-ONE in mangement is out to win, right??? Give me a break. This is a ego thing for mangement also. They have to drive the pilots into the ground and show them who is boss.

News flash B19, FLOPS has been doomed since the great Ken Ricci was running the place. You are just too blind or stupid to see it. The only way you can save your silly job and the poor people who aren't pilots jobs, is to care about your flight crews. They are the bread and butter of the operation.

I have spoken with FLOPS mechanics and it seems that mangement likes to treat everyone like crap. Maybe these people would be better off in a different position?? FYI, there are a lot of biz jet jobs out there now. Seems you are just arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Spackler]

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

Same thing you babbling buffoon, the PILOTS are the UNION!

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

The success of Flops is in managements hands. This contract could be finished in 2 weeks if management would stop dragging their heels. It is management that decides to "tear the company to shreds"

 

[Whoosh!]

Bob, they said they were looking for you on the Ford & Harrison union busting web chat board. They need your expertise in "cuttin' through the puzzle" over there. No time to lose... quick- like a bunny!

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

 

[Whoosh!]

It doesn't have to be that way. Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules. That's all it takes for the focus to shift to building the company instead of tearing down the morale of its front line workforce.NJW

You're right. That's all it would take. Unfortunately, they don't give a sh1t about it. Shawn and Sanjay will get their bonuses regardless as long as they keep cooking up the numbers with rediculous, completely innaccurate programs like the AOP and Fly Right. They couldn't care less about the rest of their employees because #1, #2, and B19 are taken care of. Maybe they're setting up for a nice severence package too when/if the company dissolves or gets slowly transformed into some kind of third rate aircraft management operation.

 

[B19 Flyer]

FUD FLINGER! It might be kool aid flavored, but it is still FUD!

Do the FLOPS pilots "win" a contract as NJW says, or do they negotiate a fair and equitable contract?

Negotiate equates to fairness and both parties share equally. The word "WIN" means that sombody has "LOST".

If the pilots "WIN" a contract as NJW seems to feel should happen, that means that the the rest of the employees and Flight Options as a company must LOSE.

There isn't anything fair and equitable about how a union does business. Everybody loses.

 

[WabiSabi]

Do the FLOPS pilots "win" a contract as NJW says, or do they negotiate a fair and equitable contract?

Negotiate equates to fairness and both parties share equally. The word "WIN" means that sombody has "LOST".

If the pilots "WIN" a contract as NJW seems to feel should happen, that means that the the rest of the employees and Flight Options as a company must LOSE.

There isn't anything fair and equitable about how a union does business. Everybody loses.

BOB! You're back! Actually, since you turn tail and get intellectually scared every time someone asks you a "hard" question that calls you out on your BS, you never answer. So, in a way, you are never here.

Anyway, the win of a contract is a win for everyone in the company and a loss to Ford and Harrison and an incorrigible and incompetent management that will be forced to accountability. Oh, also a loss to SCABS like you.

Remember, it was the likes of you management low lifes that started the war against any contract or representation period. Yes, contract = victory.

That is all, carry on.

 

[rumrnr78]

You've read "all the post" and not sure if you should call them back because they have aircraft based in MIA? If they based 757's with bad work rules would you interview? Just posting on this forum means you know the drill, FLOP'S sucks, GOJets is a slut, et cetera, et cetera... But, wait; all you wanted to know to call them back is MIA assigned aircraft. So you do know the drill. Guess you are adept at grabbing your ankles. Don't expect a reach around-

 

[netjetwife]

Freudian slip perhaps? Not at all.

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract. The pilots and the union are one and the same where 1108 is concerned. Think of the definition of "unity" and you'll get the right idea.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW? It most definitely is, and how ironic of you to deliberately overlook that part of my post-- Here it is again, with underlining added: "Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules." For further clarification I will add that an industry standard has already been established so asking for parity is fair and meeting it is the right thing to do.

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing. The CEO and executives of NJA would not agree with that ill-informed opinion. They just spent months of long sessions working with the Union to find mutually acceptable solutions in areas of common concern. Flt Ops pilots and management have yet to reach an agreement and it is not the pilots who are dragging things out. Their management could settle it by using respect and fairness as NJA did. Instead the Options pilots and their families continue to lose as those professionals are treated/paid like unskilled labor. I applaud the pilots for taking a stand.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty. Yes, when underpaid pilots stand up for themselves eventually common sense prevails and short-sighted managers realize that the carrot works better than the stick. Both sides benefit when fair pay and rules are established. The pilots will have a contract that assures them of a guaranteed income tied to their professional skills/experience and management will have a fixed labor cost and motivated pilots. Thus, both sides will have an easier time making future plans and can focus on productivity instead of acrimony.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers. Here's your sign--FUD--and a dose of reality: Labor strife is notorious for causing uncertainty and lowering morale. Refusing to give the pilots a fair contract is a penny-wise, pound-foolish attitude that damages the company's reputation. Pilots don't want to be treated so badly and will leave and/or avoid the place. When word reaches the clients they would be right to question managers who show such poor judgment in retaining the crews who are responsible for pax lives. When it comes to safety, the owners don't want to be wondering if the saying "you get what you pay for" is applicable. We know the pilots are safe and professional, but it is human nature for consumers to ask why a company is able to pay less than the going rate. If Flt Ops management is doing such a good job building the business with their current scheme why not advertise accordingly? Come fly with us. We pay our pilots blue collar wages!
That's the union way. Such BS comments should automatically come with a FUD warning. I'm glad I wear boots.

FUD, FUD, and more FUD from one who is not qualified to post on the subject. In the frac industry there's only one union and their record is well-known. The NJ 1108 pilots just recently signed a new contract (3 yrs early) which was a product of partnership with NJA. Both sides are firmly committed to working together on joint projects that cover all areas of operations. Union leaders/committee chairmen are respected and consulted routinely, especially on training issues. If Flt Ops 1108 pilots are able to win/achieve the same thing then Options and the industry will be better for it.

 

[buckeyes95]

As a former FLOPS employee, STAY AWAY! You do not want to go there, and possibly ruin your career.