FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[MCOE175]

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

 

[Dirty Dingus]

Read everything you can find about FLOP!!! Like some said before..... Run Forest Run!!!!!:laugh:

 

[Ticker]

Flops doesn't have aircraft bases. It's a "nomadic" fleet. The pilots are home based (sort of).

I doubt your contact is flops.

 

[MCOE175]

It is flight ops that called... They said they were looking to fill the MIA base... I didn't know that they didn't have ac there that is why i was asking... why would u doubt it?

 

[Ticker]

I doubted it was Options because Flight Options does not "base" planes anywhere.

They're like U-Haul trucks (in more ways than one). They don't have crew bases (per se). I don't know how may airports exactly they'll allow their crews to commute out of. Used to be a lot, now it's like 30 or 40.

I have no idea what they're telling their prospective new hires. They like to make things up as they go.

They do have mx bases. CGF, TEB, PBI, LAS, McClellan in Sacramento (forgot the identifier MCC I think).

The only thing I can think of is that it might be for a new thing they're doing. Apparently, they are trying to get into the "managed" aircraft buisness. That might explain it.

Anyone considering that might want to talk to the folks over at Principal Financial if I'm not mistaken. Principal took a plane back from flops that was on leaseback. MAJOR problems on the inspection. If I remember correctly, a former flops guy went to work there and was flying for Principal when this took place.

If it's Flight Options, run away. Read a few of the many threads here on them. I assure you, as bad as the many threads may sound, I have yet to read one that was untrue.

 

[NJAowner]

FLOPS new owner HIG Capital is headquartered in Miami. Maybe they want a number of jets always available for their use.

 

[Frac Cap]

I believe that could be true. There may be another yet to be announced managed aircraft to be based in MIA. But if this is the case, then they are actively pursuing pilots outside of the current pilots that we have on the dwindling seniority list here at Flight Options.

Once again, this is not good for the poor labor relations. I am hearing that we are currently loosing many pilots that are in the double digits. Even Captains in the Legacy are poised to leave. I have yet to see anything positive from the management side to try to turn the tide.

To Management that reads this, you may have your head in the sand and not have people under you that will be honest to you about just how bad things are. But each tour, things are getting worse and worse for moral and the daily operations of the company. Everyone is talking about leaving, and I mean everyone I talk to. From co-pilots to senior captains. I'm told Net Jets now has more than 300 of our pilots resumes on file. That's more than half of our current pilot roster. What are you doing? What is you plan? Just don't talk to us, because most of us no longer believe you. show us you want to do the right thing to save this company before it's too late. It is getting ugly out here, and know one likes to work in an atmosphere like this. It is bad for moral, and it is bad for business.

As I have said before, I too am now planing on leaving. Not that I want to, but because I think this company is going to a place where it can't return. Some of us are willing to try to save this company. I will do my part if you will. Net Jets learned their lesson, and everyone is better off for it. They have a thriving business. If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Frac Cap]

sorry, duplicate post

 

[CALRepublic]

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

They got into the aircraft management business, just like Executive jet management. Someone owns the aircraft, he's probably out of MIA.

If you have a job right now, you're better off just waiting for something better to come along. Exec Jet managment would be a better deal than FLOPS, they have accounts all over the place (Falcons, Challengers, Sovereign, etc), and their benefit-package is as good as NJ, FREE......

 

[HSDriver]

Tier One Airport

What airplanes does flight options base in MIA... I got a call today about an interview for a position in MIA. I have read all the post and not sure if I should call them back...
But just wanted to know the A/C

Thanks

KMIA is a "Tier One" Domicile for Options so it could be that they are hiring now for that domicile. That is my guess. That doesn't mean that the aircraft are based there or that you will always fly from Miami. Quite the contrary is what to expect.

HS

 

[On Your Six]

It is flight ops that called... They said they were looking to fill the MIA base... I didn't know that they didn't have ac there that is why i was asking... why would u doubt it?

If I were you, I wouldn't go to FLOPS unless you are unemployed, broke and desparate. Otherwise, I would stay at your current job, apply to Netjets, Flexjet, Citationshares and Avantair - all have MIA/FLL domiciles and all respect their pilots a lot more than FLOPS. Just keep this mind: FLOPS has the worst workplace reputation in the industry (low pay, fire pilots at will, zero respect, etc.). Compare and contrast the fractionals for yourself:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.info/airlines/fractional.html

Attrition has been high for a good reason. Serious changes will have to take place to right this ship - but don't expect any soon. And do yourself a huge favor and read the other thread (you may have to search for it) about the latest FLOPS newhire class - a pilot was fired during class. Good luck.

 

[flagshipper]

It just amazes me that even with every other thread being about how bad FLOPS sucks that every day some guy posts wondering about what kind of place it is to work at. I just cant figure out the reasoning. Also for the airline types they cannot grasp the basing system. In the fractional world no airplane is based in any one city. You will be airlining most of the time to an aircraft. Companies choose bases based on the airline prices, number of pilots, and regional alignment with flying activity. You are not being hired into a particular aircraft to fly out of a particular place. Sure the company may say 30 percent of our pilots are based west of the Mississippi but 40 percent of our flying is there so we need more guys out west. Good luck to the current FLOPS pilots and for the rest of you take a hint and stay away!!!

 

[guido411]

It still seems nobody has answered this poor chap's question. . .

Most assuredly, unless they are hiring for a managed aircraft (which they would have told you about) you would be placed in a Beechjet.

Now use the other posts that litter this board about the QOL of Flops and make an EDUCATED decision to STAY AWAY!

 

[Dingo221]

So far I have only heard that we are only looking for pilots in ATL, LAS and DEN.
I have not received anycompany E mails concerning any positions in MIA for a possible plane in management !

 

[Ticker]

FLOPS new owner HIG Capital is headquartered in Miami. Maybe they want a number of jets always available for their use.

I'll bet you're right. Anyone currently flying for options will not be offered the "managed" slots from what I've heard. I forgot about the managed airplane thing they were exploring.

Frac Cap is "Nutz On" in his observation...in more ways than one I guess :nuts:

 

[Whoosh!]

FLOPS is going nowhere but down

 

[netjetwife]

It doesn't have to be that way. Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules. That's all it takes for the focus to shift to building the company instead of tearing down the morale of its front line workforce.

In the meantime, from a family perspective, I agree with the notion of avoiding Options if you're looking for a job. There's too much financial uncertainty there until the pilots win a contract. A family has to be able to plan their future around a known income.

Best Wishes to Flt Ops pilots whose cause is entirely justified! Dig in your heels!
NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

........ There's too much financial uncertainty there until the pilots win a contract. NJW

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

 

[dime line]

FLOPS is going nowhere but down

Seeems like management is speeding up the process!

 

[dime line]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW? Since when is it about fair? Are you being fair Bob with the pilot group? i don't think so

No, with a Company it's all about winning

If the Company Defeates A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers. The company already does enough to piss off owners, so you and your goons are already "creating financial uncertainty

That's the Company way.

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