Flight options new pay

[wacoflyr]

We will still be working more days a year for way less money than even Avantair flying turboprops...

You know, it really is an unducted fan. Ok, we are a speed bump. Be we do go up to 410! And our cabin is big! Bigger than yours! And we are quiet inside! Okay, I'm sorry. I hope you guys get a good contract.

 

[dime line]

With my pay raise and perdiem, I'll make about 93000k per year and have 22 days vacation per year and job protections. /QUOTE]

A good point that I hope many consider. The Ricci meal plan is written into the contract now. ALL meals on the company dime.

Pocketing all the perdiem is definitely a tax free perk worth noting![/

QUOTE]


Very true, its not even "Perdiem" anymore, just tax free money named Perdiem. And it looks like food will be put on company cards as well, so no more fronting that money.

 

[jetwash]

With my pay raise a The Ricci meal plan is written into the contract now. ALL meals on the company dime.

Pocketing all the perdiem is definitely a tax free perk worth noting!

I have to admit that eating dinner at Ruth Chris and Landry's on the company dime is fun and I am getting use it. With absolutely no guilt of turning in the receipt.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I have to admit that eating dinner at Ruth Chris and Landry's on the company dime is fun and I am getting use it. With absolutely no guilt of turning in the receipt.

I guess you can use some of the extra per diem you're pocketing to have your uniform altered.

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

SLOWJET: Why is it that pilots who do not fly for Flight Options have so much to say about our TA or problems.

BTDI: Because every decision like yours has a lasting affect...good or bad....on the entire pilot industry.

 

[jetwash]

I guess you can use some of the extra per diem you're pocketing to have your uniform altered.

I will be sure to alternate the steak and lobster every other day and throw in one of those $25 salads as well

 

[Frac Daddy]

No that just means your schedule is flexible. The max you can work is 8 on then mandatory 6 off. The company can move your days around every month as required. However, you know your schedule by the 15th of the month for the next month and that block won't change. Kinda like bidding a build up line in 121.

Yeah, and at my airline, you don't know your build up line until FOUR DAYS before the month starts. The 15th ain't so bad.

 

[Frac Daddy]

I was furloughed in Jan. 2009, I started with RTA in Feb.2001 and it looks like if I get called back I will be forced in to some crazy 16-2 schedule get a 8.5% raise (don't forget the 1.5% Union dues), still not have any form of 401k matching and go from a Hawker to a pos Beechjet. I don't see an upside.

Holy smokes! A 2001 RTA hire and you were still furloughed? What was the DOH of the last RTA guy furloughed? (I was a AUG 2000 hire there),

 

[FR8DOG777]

You know, it really is an unducted fan. Ok, we are a speed bump. Be we do go up to 410! And our cabin is big! Bigger than yours! And we are quiet inside! Okay, I'm sorry. I hope you guys get a good contract.

I was in no way intending that in a demeaning manner. Your management sees the value in investing in their best resources. Just lashing out because the last bit of fight I had in me just went out the window. You guys will be around a lot longer than options. I can't throw away another five years in hopes of finally being compensated fairly.

 

[Hobbes]

A few TA comments from left field.

Economy, Economy....whoa is us...Right? We know the damn economy cycles, and guess what? The company was paying you slave wages all the while that the economy was booming. Screw the economy talk guys....When the economy was booming they weren't offering you more money, but instead pocketing what they SHOULD have been paying you. The money ain't right in the TA, period.

Rest - anyone see ANY MENTION AT ALL of a Circadian Rhythm rest clause in the TA??? Are they just going to drop that from the SOP as soon as the TA is ratified? That is one safety related work rule I would not be happy to see go. It should have been taken back to original hours in fact.

Per diem - you just got back what you always had before guys....seriously. They took that away from you and now it looks like a new perk coming back the way it is. How about raising the per diem somewhat to actually match what is allowed? It has been 40.80 for what? like 8 years? Come on, that is ridiculous!!!

Overall, the TA stinks in my book, but everyone gets one individual vote, so make your own choice. My guess is it will be voted down.

 

[wacoflyr]

I was in no way intending that in a demeaning manner. Your management sees the value in investing in their best resources. Just lashing out because the last bit of fight I had in me just went out the window. You guys will be around a lot longer than options. I can't throw away another five years in hopes of finally being compensated fairly.

I was just joking with ya. I really wish you guys the best.

 

[The Kman]

For those of us who are furloughed. When and if we are ever recalled, what pay will we return to? Will we return to the year pay we were furloughed in plus 10%? Or do we accrue seniority we regard to pay as well? The union should post a numerical pay scale of each year of service for everyone to view. Just saying a 10% raise with regard to base salary does not sell me.

 

[ITFL]

For those of us who are furloughed. When and if we are ever recalled, what pay will we return to? Will we return to the year pay we were furloughed in plus 10%? Or do we accrue seniority we regard to pay as well? The union should post a numerical pay scale of each year of service for everyone to view. Just saying a 10% raise with regard to base salary does not sell me.

Go to the union message board and ask the question there. You will get a strait answer, not the BS you find on here.

 

[400pilot]

Holy smokes! A 2001 RTA hire and you were still furloughed? What was the DOH of the last RTA guy furloughed? (I was a AUG 2000 hire there),

I was hired in Nov 2000 at RTA and am furloughed.

 

[ITFL]

A few TA comments from left field.

Economy, Economy....whoa is us...Right? We know the damn economy cycles, and guess what? The company was paying you slave wages all the while that the economy was booming. Screw the economy talk guys....When the economy was booming they weren't offering you more money, but instead pocketing what they SHOULD have been paying you. The money ain't right in the TA, period.

Rest - anyone see ANY MENTION AT ALL of a Circadian Rhythm rest clause in the TA??? Are they just going to drop that from the SOP as soon as the TA is ratified? That is one safety related work rule I would not be happy to see go. It should have been taken back to original hours in fact.

Per diem - you just got back what you always had before guys....seriously. They took that away from you and now it looks like a new perk coming back the way it is. How about raising the per diem somewhat to actually match what is allowed? It has been 40.80 for what? like 8 years? Come on, that is ridiculous!!!

Overall, the TA stinks in my book, but everyone gets one individual vote, so make your own choice. My guess is it will be voted down.

The Economy: Fact worst recession in 80 years. Guess what, you are going to have to come to grips with reality here. Your right, we should have been paid more in the past. We should be paid a lot more than the TA provides for. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that because they raped us before, they have the money now. Oh yea they were sticken it to us good, that’s why we voted in a union, but since then we had MS sell off 8 fleets of aircraft and nearly bankrupt the company, to line his and his little friend’s pockets, we’ve had a catastrophic rate of owner redemptions, for various reasons (including MS’s managerial incompetence) not just the economy and we’ve seen a dramatic drop in revenue hours flown throughout the Fractional industry. Look it up, it’s sickening. Our industry was hit disproportionately hard by the financial collapse. These are all facts, weather you want to hear them or not.

Our union has seen the company’s books and has told us that this was the very best deal they could get. You want to be mad about that fine, but trashing the TA and encouraging others to vote against it will not change our reality.

I think you should be looking at our situation another way. We could vote down the contract, send the negotiating committee back to the table and get nothing, no raise, no job protections, no work rules, nothing, or we could live to fight another day.

If this TA is ratified I think we should have every reason to believe that we will be back at the table in 2 ½ years. Remember the company has to tell the union 185 days prior to the three year contract amendable date if they plan to invoke their 4th year option. If they exercise this option, they will incur millions of dollars in costs associated with the fleet wide pay increase that option will generate. Either way we get paid.

Bottom line: If you believe the union is lying to you about the company’s economics, vote the contract down. Hell, why not tell everyone else on here to vote it down, as well. But remember, you essentially hired the union to represent you. You sent them in to gather confidential information about the company’s books. Something you, or any of us individually, could not do on our own. They went in with a PhD economist to look at the books and now they are telling us this is the best deal they could get. You better be personally ready to pick up the flag and charge back in there if this thing fails, because by trashing this TA in public you will have been partly responsible.