Flight options new pay

[ArtVandalay]

I hear you guys' new pay matches Netjets. If so, nice work!

 

[onetimer]

I hope so!!! I fly the line at FO and a little bird told me 10%, if that is the case, I VOTE NO!!!!

 

[skyismyoffice]

No official word yet. Where did you hear that?

 

[993_Pilot]

Rumors... you've gotta love 'em! Why speculate when we should have the numbers in the next few days?

 

[ProFracPilot]

Me thinks someone is fishing and/or wanting to stir the pot before it's on the stove...

 

[jetwash]

We all know that it won't be anything near Netjets when it comes to pay.

That was a boom time for the Fractionals and the whole economy, today is a different story and I am sure the TA will reflect the recession in its pay numbers.

 

[cougar12]

If the RUMORS that I here are true, the stove needs more wood!.....

 

[johnsonrod]

I hope so!!! I fly the line at FO and a little bird told me 10%, if that is the case, I VOTE NO!!!!

What does that mean? Netjets wages +10%?

 

[onetimer]

No NOT netjets +10%. Just 10% on top of what we make now.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I hope so!!! I fly the line at FO and a little bird told me 10%, if that is the case, I VOTE NO!!!!

If you're only concerned with the pay section, and are expecting NJ pay parity (plus?) don't waste your time reading the TA. Just cast your NO vote.

For the rest of us, I hope everyone will take the time to read and UNDERSTAND all sections of the TA while considering the market conditions in which this agreement was reached. Then cast a fully informed vote.

This will be our first contract and will affect much more than salary. It will impact our overall compensation, give us work rules, schedule choices, eliminate slide to poverty and much more. Perhaps this thing will be a POS and will receive an overwhelming NO vote. But I think it would be foolish and shortsighted to cast a NO vote on pay alone.

 

[onetimer]

Did I say I wanted Netjets Pay, NO I didnt. I make sh^T and 10% more is still Sh^t if you look at all the other frac pay scales. I hope the 10% is wrong, the TA is signed and some guys and gals are brought back! Like I said 10% of crap is still crap and will get a no vote from me, and yes I am a MIGS.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I hear you guys' new pay matches Netjets. If so, nice work!

Which NetJets pay? The 18, 15, 7/7, or "thanks for playing"?

 

[993_Pilot]

Unfortunately, 10% was correct. How F-ing lame
I'm Voting NO !!!

 

[FR8DOG777]

Yep that was worth a four year battle. Gentlemen we won the race up from the bottom to the bottom. No disrespect to the negotiating commitee but I would rather spend my time with my family than work for piss poor wages. Translation: thank you for bailing our a$$es out of the fire, you we and us are thankful for your sacrifices. Time for you full of $hit leaders to show your "transparency" and disclose your W2 earnings from last year for leading us out of this despair. STMFD and send this piece o sh$t back to cleveland.

 

[1po'dpilot]

Wow guys I read the summary... my heart goes out to you all. While there are some definite improvements to work rules and scope, the pay is an overwhelming disappointment and an embarrassment not to mention the benefits and 401k! The negotiating committee can talk about the hard times & ramifications of the US economy all they want... I left flops 2 1/2 years ago and the company I'm at now recently revisited pay rates and brought them up to INDUSTRY STANDARD despite the recession (for my position a 30+% raise).

DON'T settle for less than you are worth! After fighting so long, I know everyone wants to put it behind them but you have to live with it for the life of the contract (3 years... or 5 at flops discretion). Vote with your heads and not your hearts. Keep up the good fight, it's a great group of pilots on the property you're worth so much more!

 

[slowjet]

Unfortunately, 10% was correct. How F-ing lame
I'm Voting NO !!!

Go ahead and vote NO, so we can then start all over again and be stuck with the pay we have now and NO job protections for another three years. It is more than just the pay. Also, you need a reality check- the economy SUCKS. Or we could demand and get a 40% pay raise and have the company go bankrupt in a few months and you can take a 75% pay-cut when you collect your unemployment check.

How bout reading the TA first before you make your decision.
We get an immediate 10%, and 3.5% each year, and quarterly pay rasises as things improve for the economy and our managed hours increase. So, we may end up with a 20% raise within the first third of the contract.

I am also a MIGS.

 

[FLSTCI]

DON'T settle for less than you are worth! After fighting so long, I know everyone wants to put it behind them but you have to live with it for the life of the contract (3 years... or 5 at flops discretion). Vote with your heads and not your hearts. Keep up the good fight, it's a great group of pilots on the property you're worth so much more!

Agreed. Not being a Flight Options pilot for 2½ years I'm not privy to the details but it sounds as though the TA falls short of your expectations by a significant amount. If you think that this isn't an acceptable agreement then stand your ground. Remember that this is a process and that the first offer by the company was likely to disappoint. Follow through with this and you'll be glad that you did. What you ultimately get may not be ideal by your standards but it will likely be a lot better than what is being offered now and may be something you will be able to live with and, dare I say it...be proud of having achieved. I wish you success!

 

[I'Zheet M'Drarz]

I was furloughed in Jan. 2009, I started with RTA in Feb.2001 and it looks like if I get called back I will be forced in to some crazy 16-2 schedule get a 8.5% raise (don't forget the 1.5% Union dues), still not have any form of 401k matching and go from a Hawker to a pos Beechjet. I don't see an upside.

 

[dime line]

I was furloughed in Jan. 2009, I started with RTA in Feb.2001 and it looks like if I get called back I will be forced in to some crazy 16-2 schedule get a 8.5% raise (don't forget the 1.5% Union dues), still not have any form of 401k matching and go from a Hawker to a pos Beechjet. I don't see an upside.

The upside is you read the contract, the whole contract. Im pretty sure your not going to be "forced" on a crazy 16-2 schedule. Get your facts straight. And that "POS" BJ pays the bills, or are you too good for that plane. I do feel for your plight, the industry sucks, but a plane is a plane. Your attitude sounds like "SNJ" shinny new jet syndrome.

 

[993_Pilot]

I am so sick of hearing about how crappy the economy is and that the company can't afford to pay more. The fact is that Net Jets, Flex, Citation Air and even Avantair pays their pilots better than Flops, and generally work them less too. Flops has to compete with those companies. If the only way that they can do that is to underpay their pilots then we obviously need new management. True, I haven't seen the TA yet, but I am so underwhelmed with the summary, that my hopes aren't very high.