FLIGHT OPTIONS (and only Flight Options) related PILOT discussion

[FRLWD]

B19's Hero

The following is from page 447 of Thomas Petzinger JR's book "Hard Landing".

"Lorenzo made plans to launch a new low-fare airline at Baltimore-Washington International Airport. Friendship Airlines, he called it. Fifty-seven members of Congress wrote letters to Transportation Secretary Frederico Pena demanding denial of an operating permit. Lorenzo appealed the order, but at last count Lorenzo's newly formed company had been deemed at every level of the process to be unfit to operate even a small airline."

 

[Frac Cap]

I'm sure by now everyone has read the AIN interview with M.S. Other than the ridiculous exaggeration about being a pilot, one other thing gets me burned up is his hobbies. Playing golf and managing his investments. Now what kind of hobby is managing your investments? Just who is he trying to snow? I just wish I had the money to do either.

Hey Michael, do you want to know what one of your pilots hobbies are? Mine are WATCHING golf, and managing my BILLS!

 

[B19 Flyer]

The following is from page 447 of Thomas Petzinger JR's book "Hard Landing".

"Lorenzo made plans to launch a new low-fare airline at Baltimore-Washington International Airport. Friendship Airlines, he called it. Fifty-seven members of Congress wrote letters to Transportation Secretary Frederico Pena demanding denial of an operating permit. Lorenzo appealed the order, but at last count Lorenzo's newly formed company had been deemed at every level of the process to be unfit to operate even a small airline."

New York Times:

"Capping months of opposition from Washington lawmakers and labor unions, a judge appointed by the Department of Transportation said that although Mr. Lorenzo's company, ATX Inc., had the money and management expertise to run a scheduled carrier, it "lacks the proper compliance disposition."

Huh, go figure. The judge stated that they had the money and the management expertise but lacked compliance.

My guess is that if every single airline had to go through the same compliance scrutiny that the unions forced on this application, there wouldn't be an airline flying today.

It's sad, because nobody talks about the thousands of jobs he saved at CAL as they were going under before he was involved, or Peoples Express or any of the others. I guess those jobs are meaningless.

 

[dime line]

moron

 

[B19 Flyer]

moron

There are two points of view for everything, some more credible than others. I'll take the NY Times over a book written by a union advocate to quote.

Oh, and while you are calling me a moron, please consider that I've been through what you are going through now twice before with layoffs both times. It's not fun, and it's sure as hell not a picnic. I feel your pain, but as a union advocate, you must have been advised by union leadership that it was going to be like this so you really don't have a leg to stand on to whine.

The emotions and anger you have now? That's nothing compared to what will happen if it all goes bad. You can blame anybody you want, but I chose to take my career into my own hands and carve the common denominator of my career changes out of my life. I simply won't venture into the world of a union carrier ever again.

You are getting what you asked for.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Let me simplify all of B19's rants in one quick sentence:

"I'm a scab and Frank Lorenzo is my hero!"

I'm not a scab but would have crossed the line in a heartbeat if faced with what those guys did. I certainly appreciate what Lorenzo did for CAL and the other airlines he merged and saved. The unions destroyed a lot of jobs at Eastern because of the egos. Lorenzo had already proven he could save and restructure airlines successfully.

Lorenzo stood behind the pilots that stepped over the line at CAL. Those pilots were able to have long and healthy careers.

The union historically only protects those at the top of the seniority lists. They have always been willing to sacrifice the botton third of the list.

You need to look at the entire picture, not just what happened at Eastern. He saved a lot of airline jobs that would have gone "poof" after deregulation had he not been there, and CAL would not exist today.

 

[AeroBoy]

I'm not a scab but would have crossed the line in a heartbeat if faced with what those guys did.

B19 -- not a scab, just a wannabe scab. Pathetic. uke:

 

[CA1900]

The union historically only protects those at the top of the seniority lists. They have always been willing to sacrifice the botton third of the list.

And yet, that's exactly the opposite of what's happened with Netjets and 1108. The most junior on the list got the biggest gains in the most recent contract.

You need to look at the entire picture, not just what happened at Eastern.

And you need to look at the entire picture, not just what happens with ALPA.

 

[50Pesos]

You need to look at the entire picture, not just what happened at Eastern. He saved a lot of airline jobs that would have gone "poof" after deregulation had he not been there, and CAL would not exist today.

Huh I flew with a man at Flops that started his career at eastern in the Connie, and stayed til the strike. He had a much different outlook than you on what happened there. All I can say he was a great man (JJ not Lorenzo), and would call you a liar.

 

[Hobbes]

JJ was great. I was privileged to share the flight deck with him on a few legs.