Flexjet...

[hammer2]

I feel sorry for those who just upgraded. You won't hear much of them on flight info. They will be to busy to indulge in this garbage.

 

[rjcap]

True statement: A netjet pilot will work around 20 days less per year than a flex pilot with the 7 & 7 schuedule. (different for reserve). Plus the vacation deal sucks at flex.

I have been told that number is 33 days but I have no idea how it was calculated.

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

One other issue no one has touched on is the current real estate situation. If newhires have to move to a new Gateway they are going to be faced with difficulties in selling their current residence as well as getting financing for a new residence.

Something to consider.

 

[hammer2]

rjcap step away from the crack pipe!

 

[rjcap]

rjcap step away from the crack pipe!

Hammer,

What did you disagree with in my post ??

 

[hammer2]

Nothing. How long have you worked at Flex?
Just a little sarcasm thats all.

 

[vixin]

I have been told that number is 33 days but I have no idea how it was calculated.

Its 26 days.

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

ROTFLMAO I think Hammer is talking about the above paragraph. That is some funny chit.

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[rjcap]

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So your telling me that mgmt at Flex is not to be trusted ?????

I'm sure they told me during the interview that the pilots run this place !!

 

[vixin]

So your telling me that mgmt at Flex is not to be trusted ?????

They can be trusted its the truth that will hurt. They will tell you, here is what you will get so be happy with it.

They are not honest about the Bombardier financials. FlexJet makes a ton of money for Bombardier and they dont want the pilots to see that. I dont know if BBD management tells them how it will be or if Flex management is to chicken chit to get what you guys deserve. Either way it is the crews that will and do pay the price.

 

[doylehargraves]

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

Uh NO. They will tell us this: "this is the way it's always been and we will continue to get people that want the job. We don't care what Netjets is doing."

Don't get me wrong, Flex is a good place to work and I like it here; however, we have been told things are going to happen and they never do.
Remember the DEN gateway? They wanted to know which of us is ready to move by a certain date?? Getting our hopes up with all the questions and emails and then, whiishhh, not a word of it since.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yeah that is true. Flex management does a lot of talk in my opinion. The gateway issue has been ongoing forever... they keep doing surveys, projects, data collection, presentations, then it suddenly just goes silent. I remember they talked for a while about improving the 401k, and asked everybody to do a phone survey...then...silence....

Flex keeps telling us stuff like "things can not change overnight" yet I look over at NJs and they have had a gateway issue for maybe a year, and holy crap they are proposing 100???!?!? we can't seem to add one damn city! Why is it so easy for things to change over at NJ? oh wait, I know why.

It it hard to sit back and watch another company have significant improvements to their QOL and pay while we crawl along. Granted, after the contract we did get a raise and another day off, so perhaps something will happen again.

 

[Av8tor]

Netjets is Flexjets worst nightmare. If they don't improve the quality of life over there, Flexjet would not budge. They do not want change at Flexjet. We will see how long the response is from Mngt. Probably if you don't like it here leave. Flexjet is a very slow follower not a leader.

 

[Wankel7]

True statement: A netjet pilot will work around 20 days less per year than a flex pilot with the 7 & 7 schuedule. (different for reserve). Plus the vacation deal sucks at flex.

Whats wrong with the vacation deal?

 

[Club ORD FO]

I'm assuming he means that their vacations are 21 days long, and ours are 13.

 

[Wiggums]

Whats wrong with the vacation deal?

At FlexJet a "week" of vacation is actually only worth five paid days, where at NetJets it's worth seven paid days.

FlexJet combines five paid days with four unpaid days on each end of a total of 13 continuous days off for each vacation break.

NetJets combines seven paid days seven unpaid days on each end of a total of 21 continuous days off for each vacation break.

 

[Wankel7]

Wow, that is a really good deal...you really could travel with that much time...

I guess the Flex vacation doesn't stack up so well

 

[GSXR600]

I'm assuming he means that their vacations are 21 days long, and ours are 13.

hey Club ORD

Little confused about pay at flex. I was told that during training they pay you something like $1500 + and also perdiem on top of that per pay period, then after training is $195 per day soo, this means that your check varies per pay period depending on how many days you work or company assign you enough flying so your check averages the same amount per pay period
thanks

 

[walshsfly]

hey Club ORD

Little confused about pay at flex. I was told that during training they pay you something like $1500 + and also perdiem on top of that per pay period, then after training is $195 per day soo, this means that your check varies per pay period depending on how many days you work or company assign you enough flying so your check averages the same amount per pay period
thanks

Something like that in training its based on you're yearly income (average number of days per month at daily rate times 12 divided by 52 equals your weekly training pay) plus per diem from day one. After training your paid at the daily rate. If you work 16 days a month each month your paycheck will be for 8 days every time plus any overtime you get. If you bid up and down days every month then your paycheck will change every month. Average days right now I think is 15.5

 

[GSXR600]

hey thanks for the info

 

[KevinOppelt]

Something like that in training its based on you're yearly income (average number of days per month at daily rate times 12 divided by 52 equals your weekly training pay) plus per diem from day one. After training your paid at the daily rate. If you work 16 days a month each month your paycheck will be for 8 days every time plus any overtime you get. If you bid up and down days every month then your paycheck will change every month. Average days right now I think is 15.5

15.5 days of a 28 day bid period, not month. sucks!

 

[RedBeard]

15.5 days of a 28 day bid period, not month. sucks!

WTF? I'm making more at the crappy cargo company I fly for? I was thinking about applying at FJ, too. I don't mind the 4am phone calls and 16 hour days (get plenty of that crap now), but damn... a man's gotta eat.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

 

[GSXR600]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

Does it apply to the CL300 guys too?? since u are in the lear you probably fly more ...

thanks

 

[DirtyBeech]

F.O.'s make the same money regardless of aircraft flown. The only way to make more is to fly more, do overtime, or luck into some nice international trip on the 300 or 604.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

So you're working a month's worth of extra work days for less money than an NJA FO on the reserve schedule? Wow, that sucks.

(18x13=234 days @ Flex for $45,630)
(18x12=216 days @ NJA for $46,286)

 

[Wiggums]

You make less money plus you have to pay for medical and there is the lower 401k match. It all adds up.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Yes, it DOES all add up. From what I have read, FlexJet guys upgrade in 2 years while NJA guys will wait 5 +/- years to do so. Also, the lowest seniority pilot at FlexJet is flying the Learjet 45 while the lowest NJA guy is flying the Beechjet and Citation Ultra. Different strokes for different folks. Both seem like good places to work.

You make less money plus you have to pay for medical and there is the lower 401k match. It all adds up.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Does it apply to the CL300 guys too?? since u are in the lear you probably fly more ...

thanks

he only HAS to work 16 days a bid period, but asks for 2 more days (at the same time, some dude like me is asking for 14 instead of 16).

The 300 folks fly the most. I am in the lear 60 and I am pretty lazy.

and yeah, right now we do work more and get paid less. We do have the quicker upgrade going for us at the moments. But everybody knows thats comes in waves, just like the entire industry I guess

 

[hammer2]

Look at it like this: while we do work more days and get paid a little less, there is a quiker upgrade. With that said; in the short run, say 6 to 7 years you will make more money at Flex.
So pilots who are retired, or going for an airline career Flex is probably a better place. Long term NJA may be better, but not by much.

 

[bailey3083]

Who freakin cares who is better! What makes a company is not the pay scale but the QOL and the people you work with. All NetJets can do is listen to the people who have left FlexJet for NetJets (which many were disgruntled employees so what they say doesnt count) and then make things up as they go along. Those of us here are happy and love our jobs just like you do. So instead of acting like you are Gods while we are peons lets working on making the Frac industry second to none ( No this does not mean we need a freakin union at Flex).

Bailey

 

[hammer2]

Who freakin cares who is better! What makes a company is not the pay scale but the QOL and the people you work with. All NetJets can do is listen to the people who have left FlexJet for NetJets (which many were disgruntled employees so what they say doesnt count) and then make things up as they go along. Those of us here are happy and love our jobs just like you do. So instead of acting like you are Gods while we are peons lets working on making the Frac industry second to none ( No this does not mean we need a freakin union at Flex).

Bailey

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