Flexjet...

[walshsfly]

Interesting reply, Bailey. If you go back and read the posts, Walshfly was the first to mention NJ. He did so by commenting on our work rules. That seems like an open invitation to set the record straight.

Your wrong it wasn't and open invitation. It is fact, its what was really happening. They were sitting in LWB, I ate dinner with them, this isn't guessing or some sort of screwed view, straight from their mouths. I was there for an hour to pick up and they were there for 8 hours that day. The previous day the sat at hot spring VA doing the same thing. So don't blame me for pointing out the truth.

 

[Club ORD FO]

The QOL is not that bad. I came from independence and I work a hell of a lot less here than I did over there. maybe 400 hours at most my first year. Maybe I am just lucky tho... I get a 5am or earlier call maybe once every 3 rotations, a 14+ hour day maybe once every other rotation.

when I was ONT based, I got a day of home reserve 3 out of 4 rotations, did nothing but airline on my last day 50% of the time or more....

I think NJs might have better work rules (cant say I have a copy of the contract in the bathroom for reading material), but Flex is by no means slave labor or anything. I'd like to see the floating rest go away, that is the biggest pain. Makes planning sleep for a redeye the next day interesting. Stay up all night?? oh wait, the phone can ring at 1am....

 

[DirtyBeech]

Flex is just terrible. I was just on for 7 days and actually had to fly 5 of them. On top of that I had to sleep in my own bed for 3 nights. And the clincher was on day 7 I didn't go on duty until 1730lcl and terminated at my gateway at 2240lcl. One hour post flight plus a limo to my car at another airport meant I had to get an overtime day. Oh the humanity.

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

Bailey that was hilarious.

 

[doylehargraves]

Well mr Walsh, you WILL get the 16 hour last day, trust me. You've been lucky, as I have been lucky a few times too. Try getting home after 11pm FIVE rotations in a row on your last day. It's happened to me and it WILL happen to you, eventually.

I would kill for a 12 hour day on my last day lately. The problem right now at flex is we are extremely short on crews. There are a dozen airplanes sitting around every day uncrewed while the lucky ones working get 14 hour duty days to cover it. One good thing is, it can't get any worse this christmas because we're already working max days right now.

Oh and edatheairport, please change your avatar!

 

[Wankel7]

Flex is just terrible. I was just on for 7 days and actually had to fly 5 of them. On top of that I had to sleep in my own bed for 3 nights. And the clincher was on day 7 I didn't go on duty until 1730lcl and terminated at my gateway at 2240lcl. One hour post flight plus a limo to my car at another airport meant I had to get an overtime day. Oh the humanity.

DUDE ! That is horrible...where are you based?

 

[skydan5]

Well mr Walsh, you WILL get the 16 hour last day, trust me. You've been lucky, as I have been lucky a few times too. Try getting home after 11pm FIVE rotations in a row on your last day. It's happened to me and it WILL happen to you, eventually.

I would kill for a 12 hour day on my last day lately. The problem right now at flex is we are extremely short on crews. There are a dozen airplanes sitting around every day uncrewed while the lucky ones working get 14 hour duty days to cover it. One good thing is, it can't get any worse this christmas because we're already working max days right now.

Oh and edatheairport, please change your avatar!

I haven't landed that late in the year that I have been here. Maybe because I am DFW based and I almost always get a direct flight home.

I like Ed's fro! Or is that Buckwheat?

 

[DirtyBeech]

DUDE ! That is horrible...where are you based?

I'm DFW based.

 

[doylehargraves]

I get direct flights too, always after 11pm. This has to stop.

 

[KevinOppelt]

True statement: A netjet pilot will work around 20 days less per year than a flex pilot with the 7 & 7 schuedule. (different for reserve). Plus the vacation deal sucks at flex.

 

[hammer2]

I feel sorry for those who just upgraded. You won't hear much of them on flight info. They will be to busy to indulge in this garbage.

 

[rjcap]

True statement: A netjet pilot will work around 20 days less per year than a flex pilot with the 7 & 7 schuedule. (different for reserve). Plus the vacation deal sucks at flex.

I have been told that number is 33 days but I have no idea how it was calculated.

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

One other issue no one has touched on is the current real estate situation. If newhires have to move to a new Gateway they are going to be faced with difficulties in selling their current residence as well as getting financing for a new residence.

Something to consider.

 

[hammer2]

rjcap step away from the crack pipe!

 

[rjcap]

rjcap step away from the crack pipe!

Hammer,

What did you disagree with in my post ??

 

[hammer2]

Nothing. How long have you worked at Flex?
Just a little sarcasm thats all.

 

[vixin]

I have been told that number is 33 days but I have no idea how it was calculated.

Its 26 days.

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

ROTFLMAO I think Hammer is talking about the above paragraph. That is some funny chit.

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[rjcap]

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So your telling me that mgmt at Flex is not to be trusted ?????

I'm sure they told me during the interview that the pilots run this place !!

 

[vixin]

So your telling me that mgmt at Flex is not to be trusted ?????

They can be trusted its the truth that will hurt. They will tell you, here is what you will get so be happy with it.

They are not honest about the Bombardier financials. FlexJet makes a ton of money for Bombardier and they dont want the pilots to see that. I dont know if BBD management tells them how it will be or if Flex management is to chicken chit to get what you guys deserve. Either way it is the crews that will and do pay the price.

 

[doylehargraves]

I would give Flex mgmt some time to respond to the previousely posted issues and let them propose a Gateway, compensation and health care package that is competitive with NetJets. I am sure they realize that if they don't they will suffer the consequences of increased attrition and inability to hire qualified pilots.

Uh NO. They will tell us this: "this is the way it's always been and we will continue to get people that want the job. We don't care what Netjets is doing."

Don't get me wrong, Flex is a good place to work and I like it here; however, we have been told things are going to happen and they never do.
Remember the DEN gateway? They wanted to know which of us is ready to move by a certain date?? Getting our hopes up with all the questions and emails and then, whiishhh, not a word of it since.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yeah that is true. Flex management does a lot of talk in my opinion. The gateway issue has been ongoing forever... they keep doing surveys, projects, data collection, presentations, then it suddenly just goes silent. I remember they talked for a while about improving the 401k, and asked everybody to do a phone survey...then...silence....

Flex keeps telling us stuff like "things can not change overnight" yet I look over at NJs and they have had a gateway issue for maybe a year, and holy crap they are proposing 100???!?!? we can't seem to add one damn city! Why is it so easy for things to change over at NJ? oh wait, I know why.

It it hard to sit back and watch another company have significant improvements to their QOL and pay while we crawl along. Granted, after the contract we did get a raise and another day off, so perhaps something will happen again.