Flexjet...

[Av8tor]

Netjets is Flexjets worst nightmare. If they don't improve the quality of life over there, Flexjet would not budge. They do not want change at Flexjet. We will see how long the response is from Mngt. Probably if you don't like it here leave. Flexjet is a very slow follower not a leader.

 

[Wankel7]

True statement: A netjet pilot will work around 20 days less per year than a flex pilot with the 7 & 7 schuedule. (different for reserve). Plus the vacation deal sucks at flex.

Whats wrong with the vacation deal?

 

[Club ORD FO]

I'm assuming he means that their vacations are 21 days long, and ours are 13.

 

[Wiggums]

Whats wrong with the vacation deal?

At FlexJet a "week" of vacation is actually only worth five paid days, where at NetJets it's worth seven paid days.

FlexJet combines five paid days with four unpaid days on each end of a total of 13 continuous days off for each vacation break.

NetJets combines seven paid days seven unpaid days on each end of a total of 21 continuous days off for each vacation break.

 

[Wankel7]

Wow, that is a really good deal...you really could travel with that much time...

I guess the Flex vacation doesn't stack up so well

 

[GSXR600]

I'm assuming he means that their vacations are 21 days long, and ours are 13.

hey Club ORD

Little confused about pay at flex. I was told that during training they pay you something like $1500 + and also perdiem on top of that per pay period, then after training is $195 per day soo, this means that your check varies per pay period depending on how many days you work or company assign you enough flying so your check averages the same amount per pay period
thanks

 

[walshsfly]

hey Club ORD

Little confused about pay at flex. I was told that during training they pay you something like $1500 + and also perdiem on top of that per pay period, then after training is $195 per day soo, this means that your check varies per pay period depending on how many days you work or company assign you enough flying so your check averages the same amount per pay period
thanks

Something like that in training its based on you're yearly income (average number of days per month at daily rate times 12 divided by 52 equals your weekly training pay) plus per diem from day one. After training your paid at the daily rate. If you work 16 days a month each month your paycheck will be for 8 days every time plus any overtime you get. If you bid up and down days every month then your paycheck will change every month. Average days right now I think is 15.5

 

[GSXR600]

hey thanks for the info

 

[KevinOppelt]

Something like that in training its based on you're yearly income (average number of days per month at daily rate times 12 divided by 52 equals your weekly training pay) plus per diem from day one. After training your paid at the daily rate. If you work 16 days a month each month your paycheck will be for 8 days every time plus any overtime you get. If you bid up and down days every month then your paycheck will change every month. Average days right now I think is 15.5

15.5 days of a 28 day bid period, not month. sucks!

 

[RedBeard]

15.5 days of a 28 day bid period, not month. sucks!

WTF? I'm making more at the crappy cargo company I fly for? I was thinking about applying at FJ, too. I don't mind the 4am phone calls and 16 hour days (get plenty of that crap now), but damn... a man's gotta eat.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

 

[GSXR600]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

Does it apply to the CL300 guys too?? since u are in the lear you probably fly more ...

thanks

 

[DirtyBeech]

F.O.'s make the same money regardless of aircraft flown. The only way to make more is to fly more, do overtime, or luck into some nice international trip on the 300 or 604.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I bid 18 days per bid period. My average bring home pay per check, which is every two weeks, is roughly $1,600, including perdiem, which ranges from $275-$325 per check. I have family insurance and 401k taken out of my check as well. If you work 18 days per period you'll make over $50k, no problem, on first year pay.

18 X $195 X 13 Bid Periods = $45,630 + Per Diem ($6,000-$7,000 easily)

Then there's overtime, working on your days off......

So you're working a month's worth of extra work days for less money than an NJA FO on the reserve schedule? Wow, that sucks.

(18x13=234 days @ Flex for $45,630)
(18x12=216 days @ NJA for $46,286)

 

[Wiggums]

You make less money plus you have to pay for medical and there is the lower 401k match. It all adds up.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Yes, it DOES all add up. From what I have read, FlexJet guys upgrade in 2 years while NJA guys will wait 5 +/- years to do so. Also, the lowest seniority pilot at FlexJet is flying the Learjet 45 while the lowest NJA guy is flying the Beechjet and Citation Ultra. Different strokes for different folks. Both seem like good places to work.

You make less money plus you have to pay for medical and there is the lower 401k match. It all adds up.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Does it apply to the CL300 guys too?? since u are in the lear you probably fly more ...

thanks

he only HAS to work 16 days a bid period, but asks for 2 more days (at the same time, some dude like me is asking for 14 instead of 16).

The 300 folks fly the most. I am in the lear 60 and I am pretty lazy.

and yeah, right now we do work more and get paid less. We do have the quicker upgrade going for us at the moments. But everybody knows thats comes in waves, just like the entire industry I guess

 

[hammer2]

Look at it like this: while we do work more days and get paid a little less, there is a quiker upgrade. With that said; in the short run, say 6 to 7 years you will make more money at Flex.
So pilots who are retired, or going for an airline career Flex is probably a better place. Long term NJA may be better, but not by much.

 

[bailey3083]

Who freakin cares who is better! What makes a company is not the pay scale but the QOL and the people you work with. All NetJets can do is listen to the people who have left FlexJet for NetJets (which many were disgruntled employees so what they say doesnt count) and then make things up as they go along. Those of us here are happy and love our jobs just like you do. So instead of acting like you are Gods while we are peons lets working on making the Frac industry second to none ( No this does not mean we need a freakin union at Flex).

Bailey

 

[hammer2]

Who freakin cares who is better! What makes a company is not the pay scale but the QOL and the people you work with. All NetJets can do is listen to the people who have left FlexJet for NetJets (which many were disgruntled employees so what they say doesnt count) and then make things up as they go along. Those of us here are happy and love our jobs just like you do. So instead of acting like you are Gods while we are peons lets working on making the Frac industry second to none ( No this does not mean we need a freakin union at Flex).

Bailey

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