Flexjet Recalls Two Flight Attendants, Janitor

[ArtVandalay]

Yeah mr gross got real defensive when someone brought up charter on the BB. He hadn't written anything on there in a year and when the "c" word was mentioned, he leaped all over it to defend it. I'm betting though that he's still FG's gimp..

 

[DUATS]

The contracts limit charter to 5%. They could charter everything out, but we would be out of business very fast.

I haven't seen the owner's contracts, but I bet management can get around that somehow. Also, I think there is no such protection for the 25 card holders, which is a bigger and bigger portion of the business.

5% of 100 planes that Flex had a year ago is 5 planes. Each requires 4.5 pilots. Take away the charter, and 18 pilots aren't subscribing to climbto350 and clipping coupons.

Whoever put the "charter limit when pilots are furloughed" clause in the NJA contract was really smart. I wonder if FLOPS got it in theirs.....

 

[RP170]

Whoever put the "charter limit when pilots are furloughed" clause in the NJA contract was really smart. I wonder if FLOPS got it in theirs.....

Unfortunately it's an unrealistic number of days involved. 11 days per quarter. I doubt they were chartering 11 days per quarter even at the peak of fractional flying.

 

[Dooker]

Yeah, and if you're Flexjet and you find yourself sitting on a bunch of jets that Bombardier suddenly has no interest in absorbing into its used inventory, charter is your newest, bestest friend.

Where, exactly, do you suppose those jets go? They go to operators who can staff them with pilots who don't have benefits, don't have fixed schedules, and who are a lot more reluctant to turn their phones off. That's how you make money in charter. As more and more jets age out of the program, more and more of the flying will be shunted over to these operators.

We had a chance to create a franchise in the only thing we've got: ourselves. But instead of even trying, we let ourselves get fooled by a bunch of happy talk and a raise that really wasn't.

We're about too get exactly what we deserve.

 

[realityman]

Right on OHGOON. You get it. There are too many guys at NJA with the rose colored, kool-aid drinking glasses on that think everything in the CBA is just wonderful and fine and dandy. Easy for them to say when they still have a JOB! By they way, realityman, this is my second furlough in 7 years. The first time I was unemployed for a year. This time will most likely be much much worse.

I liked the part where you talked about how NJA could just send contractors gold ties and paint the aircraft like NJA, etc. Funny you mentioned that because I saw a CE-680 a few months back operated by EJM painted just like an EJA aircraft. This may be part of the future plans so the owners won't know the difference.

We just received another company update today stating how great EJM is doing and that their business is way up. They are growing while NJA is shrinking. They are a real threat. Some guys just don't want to open their eyes or take off their rose colored glasses and admit it.

I think we all know how this will end up in the end. The will continue to get rid of aircraft at NJA while growing EJM. It's eerily similar to the Majors vs. Regionals scope issues at the airlines. And yes, I understand that NJA is not an airline!!! It's another way for management to cut operating costs and they can reduce the amount of union workers (higher pay) at the same time.

I'd be scared to death if I were a current NJA pilot in regards to the shift from fractional to charter flying within the Berkshire-Hathaway "family." Wake up guys before it's too late!

RP, while you were here, did you even bother to READ the contract (other than section 27)?

Okay, I agree with Goon that nothing is EVER completely ironclad. You'll have to show me contract where scope has zero loopholes. never heard of one. Probably never will.

But my point is, NJA can NOT simply shift our business to charter! Again, this does not apply to the other fracs. Just us. But here it is again. NJA can NOT simply shift our business to charter. If you had read the pertinent parts of the contract you'd understand that. If they try it, guess what? You'll be back to work here quickly! They can't simply charter charter charter with no repurcussions. While no contract is ironclad in this respect, ours is pretty darn good.

You can call me names, such as 'kool-aid drinker', or accuse me of wearing rose-colored glasses, but it doesn't change the any of the facts. You say it's just because I still have a job that I'm wearing rose-colored glasses.

Well, I could just as easily say that you're wearing crap-colored glasses just because you were furloughed. How about taking them off and seeing that things aren't so bad. Quit drinking the sewer water. While there has certainly been some shrinkage, things seem to be picking up. the flight schedule is slowly getting busier. Owner retention is up, and while I can't speak directly to sales, I have heard rumblings that sales of shares has improved a little. Things aren't great, but not all doom and gloom either.

As for EJM planes painted in our colors, so what? They've done this FOR YEARS. Hasn't been a threat to us before, I doubt it's much of one now. Again, that pesky contract thingy. They CAN'T shift business to EJM without bringing you guys back! Would seem like a pretty stupid way to cut costs. Shift clients to charter so they have to bring more NJA pilots back on the payroll?

Anyway, I just checked the forecast schedule on crewops. Flight demand appears to be a little bit up, but no yellow or red days. Those are the days where they are forecasting the need for charter. It doesn't appear that anything is being shifted to charter. All green.

I'm sorry you're furloughed. The previous management team overhired, combined with a huge economic crash, caused this situation. Not shifting work to charter.

 

[John MClain]

I can tell you this, if I were a CAFO, and they asked me to be captain for a day or whatever, I would tell them to F themselves.

Would ya really? Wow, you're so awesome and tough. You're my hero!

 

[flex*wife]

Yeah, and if you're Flexjet and you find yourself sitting on a bunch of jets that Bombardier suddenly has no interest in absorbing into its used inventory, charter is your newest, bestest friend.

Where, exactly, do you suppose those jets go? They go to operators who can staff them with pilots who don't have benefits, don't have fixed schedules, and who are a lot more reluctant to turn their phones off. That's how you make money in charter. As more and more jets age out of the program, more and more of the flying will be shunted over to these operators.

We had a chance to create a franchise in the only thing we've got: ourselves. But instead of even trying, we let ourselves get fooled by a bunch of happy talk and a raise that really wasn't.

We're about too get exactly what we deserve.

how come this is the big green gorilla nobody wants to actually discuss? I tried to lead y'all in the right direction last year when I posted about the globals but no one took the lead.

So I will just spell my facts & suspicions out for you. Fact: there are dozens upon dozens of bombardier aircraft w/o lxj tags registered to the waterview address. Fact: the marriage between flex and BJS barely skirts the law it was intended to fulfill but both companies have successfully used it's legal neccessity to further muddy the waters in some very unscrupulous ways Suspicion: either flex or bjs is using it's resources to manage, staff, dispatch etc these planes under the radar Fact: there are 85 flex guys on the street on part because of these games

y'all should really take your wives to the little hangar/Christmas parties. Get a little wine in those office peeps and you'd be surprised of the beans they are too willing to spill to the dumb blonde they assume can't read between the lines or care enough to ponder...

I could go on for days. Y'all really need to step up your game protecting your scope. You are at will and can be switched out for a cheaper version any time. If the situation regarding CAFOs isn't enough to show y'all that nothing will.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Would ya really? Wow, you're so awesome and tough. You're my hero!

You always have such intellectual brio and intelligent dialogue to offer. You must be in management. Or, as you would say, "I'm work in da office"

 

[RP170]

RP, while you were here, did you even bother to READ the contract (other than section 27)?

Okay, I agree with Goon that nothing is EVER completely ironclad. You'll have to show me contract where scope has zero loopholes. never heard of one. Probably never will.

But my point is, NJA can NOT simply shift our business to charter! Again, this does not apply to the other fracs. Just us. But here it is again. NJA can NOT simply shift our business to charter. If you had read the pertinent parts of the contract you'd understand that. If they try it, guess what? You'll be back to work here quickly! They can't simply charter charter charter with no repurcussions. While no contract is ironclad in this respect, ours is pretty darn good.

You can call me names, such as 'kool-aid drinker', or accuse me of wearing rose-colored glasses, but it doesn't change the any of the facts. You say it's just because I still have a job that I'm wearing rose-colored glasses.

Well, I could just as easily say that you're wearing crap-colored glasses just because you were furloughed. How about taking them off and seeing that things aren't so bad. Quit drinking the sewer water. While there has certainly been some shrinkage, things seem to be picking up. the flight schedule is slowly getting busier. Owner retention is up, and while I can't speak directly to sales, I have heard rumblings that sales of shares has improved a little. Things aren't great, but not all doom and gloom either.

As for EJM planes painted in our colors, so what? They've done this FOR YEARS. Hasn't been a threat to us before, I doubt it's much of one now. Again, that pesky contract thingy. They CAN'T shift business to EJM without bringing you guys back! Would seem like a pretty stupid way to cut costs. Shift clients to charter so they have to bring more NJA pilots back on the payroll?

Anyway, I just checked the forecast schedule on crewops. Flight demand appears to be a little bit up, but no yellow or red days. Those are the days where they are forecasting the need for charter. It doesn't appear that anything is being shifted to charter. All green.

I'm sorry you're furloughed. The previous management team overhired, combined with a huge economic crash, caused this situation. Not shifting work to charter.

You don't find it threatening whatsoever that every weekly business update states how great EJM is doing with no mention of NJA? They are repeating this over and over each week for a reason.

They can outsource up to 11 days per quarter. That's a crapload of sell off potential to other charter companies. And what if they do have to recall if they outsource on more days than that? Will they just refurlough the guys they recalled? There isn't anything that states the pilots have to be brought back for a certain period of time is there?

How about having to pay for crew food now if you want more than 2 per day at NJA? Who really initiated that new rule? Was it really the IRS or did company lawyers start digging through IRS rules to find a loophole where they could start charging for the meals? Sounds like a great way for the company to cut back on its crew food budget. Not to mention, also a way to take a shot at the contract and alter it. I'm afaid it's just the beginning of what's to come at NJA. I hope I'm wrong but my gut is telling me I'm not. This isn't my first rodeo.

 

[netjetwife]

I had the opportunity to fly with one of Flexjet's senior Kool-Aid drinkers a couple of rotations ago. Anyway, we got on the subject of charter, and I told him what I'd heard about the apparent hiring boom at some of the charter outfits 'Flex uses.

Me: "You know, there's not a thing that stops them from farming everything out to charter if they want."

Him: "I'm sure they'd never do that."

Me: "Yeah, you're right. I'm sure they have our best interests at heart."

It got pretty quiet after that.

Dooker, I second the suggestion that you could use writing as a safety plan. Your recall story caught me...not just once..but twice...:0 Funny both times... Your sarcastic wit is quite effective whether you're poking fun or being serious. Thanks for helping others to see the humor and the warning signs. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

.... So I will just spell my facts & suspicions out for you. That does seem to be the best approach to use.
y'all should really take your wives to the little hangar/Christmas parties. Get a little wine in those office peeps and you'd be surprised of the beans they are too willing to spill to the dumb blonde they assume can't read between the lines or care enough to ponder... Good work FW!

I could go on for days. ...

In these troubling times we really learn who we can count on. Everyone has to pull together inside pilot groups and the industry. Best of luck to you and other spouses at Flex as you study the situation and stand up for your group.

Hang in there!
NJW

 

[Helmsalee]

RP170,

The way I understand it is you don't have to pay for meals over 2. It means that your per diem will become taxible. Correct me if my interpretation is wrong.

Lew

 

[FalconPilot69]

Flexwife,

You seem some what intelligent, so I will lay out the cruel hard facts for you and the rest of our group.

We lack the intestinal fortitude to step and and protect ourselves! When you have soooooo many 300 and 604 captains and f/o's begging for overtime, why do we need anything else. This group cares only about themselves and that is all they will ever care about. Anything the 300 group wants they get for 2 reasons. First, they are the biggest. Second, it is the chief pilots fleet there fore he does what they ask for.

All we as pilots can hope and pray for is the FR leaves before he either parts us out completely or bankrupts us.

I could go on for days. Y'all really need to step up your game protecting your scope. You are at will and can be switched out for a cheaper version any time. If the situation regarding CAFOs isn't enough to show y'all that nothing will.

 

[RP170]

RP170,

The way I understand it is you don't have to pay for meals over 2. It means that your per diem will become taxible. Correct me if my interpretation is wrong.

Lew

I don't know the specifics since the union has kicked us out of the union message board. Either way, it's a lot less money in the pilots' pockets at the end of the year and a change in the way things are interpreted in the CBA. It sets a precedent that's not good.

 

[Pervis]

RP170,

The way I understand it is you don't have to pay for meals over 2. It means that your per diem will become taxible. Correct me if my interpretation is wrong.

Lew

You are correct. Three options available. Two meals or less, per diem remains non-taxable income. (Protections exist for non-delivery and schedule changes). More than two meals, all per diem is taxable. Go on receipts, per diem remains non-taxable, but you will pay the difference if you exceed domestic rate.

Advantage is you will no longer have to manually add up your annual per diem for tax purposes-it will show up on your Ipay statement as taxable or non-taxable, if you opt for options one or two.

 

[Pervis]

I don't know the specifics since the union has kicked us out of the union message board. Either way, it's a lot less money in the pilots' pockets at the end of the year and a change in the way things are interpreted in the CBA. It sets a precedent that's not good.

Wrong. That's the trouble with not knowing the specifics. As far as the union web site, nothing prohibits you from calling the union to learn the specifics.

 

[ArtVandalay]

I don't know the specifics since the union has kicked us out of the union message board. Either way, it's a lot less money in the pilots' pockets at the end of the year and a change in the way things are interpreted in the CBA. It sets a precedent that's not good.

Hey why don't you $ick heads talk about this in private messages. or go chew the Majors thread up with your talk that no one wants to see

 

[notapilot]

We lack the intestinal fortitude to step and and protect ourselves! When you have soooooo many 300 and 604 captains and f/o's begging for overtime, why do we need anything else. This group cares only about themselves and that is all they will ever care about. Anything the 300 group wants they get for 2 reasons. First, they are the biggest. Second, it is the chief pilots fleet there fore he does what they ask for.

Please provide more information about your accusations. What postion are you in that you know how much OT is being asked for from 2 different fleets and seats? I don't dispute people are asking for OT. I am sick of our own group attacking each other. We are all on the same team and I guarantee you that an equal number of people are asking for OT from every fleet and seat. I have seen FOs on the bottom of the seniority list ask for OT. This unfortunately will and does happen at every company. Some one else on here just posted a message that it is OK for Lear CAFOs but not Challenger CAFOs. Personally I would like to see everyone turn down OT and CAFO assignments. The reality is that will not happen.

What special things are the 300 pilots asking for and getting? Please share because I will join you in that fight.

 

[notapilot]

So I will just spell my facts & suspicions out for you. Fact: there are dozens upon dozens of bombardier aircraft w/o lxj tags registered to the waterview address. Fact: the marriage between flex and BJS barely skirts the law it was intended to fulfill but both companies have successfully used it's legal neccessity to further muddy the waters in some very unscrupulous ways Suspicion: either flex or bjs is using it's resources to manage, staff, dispatch etc these planes under the radar Fact: there are 85 flex guys on the street on part because of these games

I am interested in what you are saying, but it makes no sense to me. You said you would spell things out, but your message is very vague. What laws are LXJ and BJS skirting? What are you saying goes on under the radar? How does the LXJ and BJS relationship relate to the 85 on the street? If it wasn't for our BJS card holders there would be more than double that number on the street. Please explain.

 

[FalconPilot69]

I am in the same position as all of us. I fly the line and hear every day how 300 and 604 pilots are consistently taking and asking for OT. Some are even so brazen as to be telling anyone who will listen that they are doing so. This is not only a CA thing but an FO thing.

As far as the CAFO bs, I am with you. This is nothing more than a means of the company using its pilots so that they can keep them downgraded indefinitely. While I cannot dispute whether the lear group are being OT tramps, I can say that if they are, they are surely being real quiet about it. Any lear guy/gal I have spoke with regarding OT was due to it either being forced or working in their benefit, i.e home on the first flight in the morning and getting the money out of the company. I understand that there are times where we need to do OT, but for guys/gals to be calling into the office and begging for it, that is another issue. Just ask your dispatcher if it is happening. I am sure they will tell you.

As far as the 300 group having more pull, just look at all of the changes. If you go back over BB, our rest rule changes and so forth have come due to 300 captains turning off their phones religiously as well as griping louder than the rest of the groups. Maybe it is just coincidental that this is happening, but I don't know that is the case.

I don't like seeing our group fighting either. My comment was just pure honesty. None of the pilots as a group care about the 85 on the street or about you or I. We will just continue to go down this road and hope in the end we are still employed.

Please provide more information about your accusations. What postion are you in that you know how much OT is being asked for from 2 different fleets and seats? I don't dispute people are asking for OT. I am sick of our own group attacking each other. We are all on the same team and I guarantee you that an equal number of people are asking for OT from every fleet and seat. I have seen FOs on the bottom of the seniority list ask for OT. This unfortunately will and does happen at every company. Some one else on here just posted a message that it is OK for Lear CAFOs but not Challenger CAFOs. Personally I would like to see everyone turn down OT and CAFO assignments. The reality is that will not happen.

What special things are the 300 pilots asking for and getting? Please share because I will join you in that fight.

 

[netjetwife]

It appears that FW is posting on a need to know basis. Her target audience knows enough about the situation to understand the gist of her post and can always pm her for additional info. The rest of us don't need to know the details.

I just note that she is reaching out to others in her group in an attempt to share/gather information and I support her efforts. I would think that any who value camaraderie and unity in their group would as well. From my understanding of their situation, the Flex pilotgroup doesn't have their own message board or active liaisons that keep them fully informed on company matters. (Flex folks please correct this if I'm wrong). So if their posts sometimes sound as though they're talking in code ... well that makes perfect sense even if others don't know what the heck they're saying....

 

[notapilot]

It appears that FW is posting on a need to know basis. Her target audience knows enough about the situation to understand the gist of her post and can always pm her for additional info. The rest of us don't need to know the details.

I just note that she is reaching out to others in her group in an attempt to share/gather information and I support her efforts. I would think that any who value camaraderie and unity in their group would as well. From my understanding of their situation, the Flex pilotgroup doesn't have their own message board or active liaisons that keep them fully informed on company matters. (Flex folks please correct this if I'm wrong). So if their posts sometimes sound as though they're talking in code ... well that makes perfect sense even if others don't know what the heck they're saying....

First of all you have no idea what she is talking about either so don't speak for her. Believe me when I say that I am in "the know" more than she is and what she appears to say is not true. Your belief is that since we do not have a private crew only website we should accept coded vague language from a non employee about our company. Sounds about right from you. By the way, how's it going with your union fellows who have been locked out of their message board? PDA.

 

[notapilot]

Falcon

I also would like to see OT and CAFO stopped from whichever group is involved.

 

[DirtyBeech]

All I know is that half a dozen or so captains have recently unemployed themselves.

 

[Boxer]

All I know is that half a dozen or so captains have recently unemployed themselves.

Say what?

 

[flex*wife]

Notaapilot,

This is gonna be long I apologize in advance but I truly want to answer your questions and spark thoughtful debate.

Netjetwife is correct: I am purposefully trying to be vague because I am not trying to get people to talk out of school or air a bunch of dirty laundry all over the internet. I am also trying to be respectful of the sources of information I have been given lest I be guilt-ridden with having few innocent people caught in the cross hairs of an ugly situation.

Fact is plain and simple that as a group, Flex pilots need to protect scope, lock in work rules and provide the group with a fair and equitable resolution system for dealing with disciplinary and other matters. In my mind the past year with furloughs, CAFOs, some interesting changes in the manuals and other miscellaneous matters I would think this would be obvious to the simplest of you.

You asked me to be specific so I will try to better explain my concerns regarding the BJS LXJ situation. I consider myself pretty well read on the TAG situation but as a non pilot I am the first to admit I don’t necessarily understand the way daily operations may or may not play into this. But how can you say with a straight face that BJS is a completely separate entity from the foreign owned entity of LXJ? There may be separate floors and door locks, but it is definitely a combined enterprise at the same convenient address.. Everything from human resource & administrative issues, to scheduling, long range planning, owner & in flight services, ground ops, dispatch, maintenance decisions and issues, hiring decisions (well maybe not lately), firing decisions, training etc it’s pretty clear there are some gray lines. Up until a little while ago your paychecks even came from BJS for jake’s sake. And if I’m not mistaken I’ve been told some of the language that’s been added to the manuals over the past year give the implication that BJS has more and more control over “in flight” issues because they have more flexibility in the way things get handled from a regulation perspective. But that’s way out of my league as I barely understand V1 rotate.

Dirty Beech speaks of a few captains who have helped themselves out of a job recently. Rumor has it at least half of them were 135 issues that these guys were told plain and simple would have been a different story if they were 91 trips. And what about that guy who is now out a license let alone a job because he misunderstood the ability for ASAP to protect him on a 135 trip.

And why does no one want to investigate the dozens upon dozens of bombardier aircraft registered to Waterview, including a sweet fair share of globals. Now I’m not sure if that’s BJS or LXJ but no one finds that curious? Unless I am mistaken I thought the business scope of both parties limited them to operations and fractional sales not “brokership” or management so what gives? We all know there are a few planes (Houston, STL and TN might be some) that are being quietly managed on the side using LXJ resources but not LXJ pilots. And yet we have 85 on the street. That’s the connection my friend. My suspicion is that LXJ, Bombardier or BJS (let’s face it you are really an employee of all three) resources are used to generate business income but not protect pilot jobs. Might be legal, might be good business etc… but if true it’s kinda slimy.

Also why does the list of available typed pilots both bombardier and the training center give out to private whole owners in need of temporary services not include the 85 at the top of it’s lists? A good friend of my husband’s (not one of the 85) is on the list and makes a decent living doing only Bombardier and CAE Simuflite referrals and my understanding he’s one of many.

This get long winded and I’d be happy to expound on more if you need me to, but isn’t this enough yet? I am only looking out for my family. If you can prove to me I have no reason to worry I will be grateful to you believe me. I WANT to be wrong.

We are quite happy with my husband’s pay, bonus, vacation etc… and absolutely do not feel a need for overtime to supplement the income. This IS NOT about money. Pushing for a union is the only way I see of forcing the company to uphold certain implied contractual obligations that are worthless right now as you are all at will employees. I actually think for the most part most of the higher ups are decent guys but make no mistake they will protect themselves long before they will protect you. You need to fix that.

 

[netjetwife]

First of all you have no idea what she is talking about either so don't speak for her. I wasn't. I was just commenting on her posting style and my "code" remark was suggesting that those of us outside her circle don't need the details. Believe me when I say that I am in "the know" more than she is and what she appears to say is not true. I don't know the situation so I'm not in a position to judge credibility on the subject. That's for the Flex pilots to decide as they're the ones she addressed. Your belief is that since we do not have a private crew only website we should accept coded vague language from a non employee about our company. FW has the right to post here and was discussing, with others, a topic that interests them/her. They were following the rules and doing just fine understanding each other. Sounds about right from you. Yes I do support the right of members of a community to hold online conversations and build camaraderie. By the way, how's it going with your union fellows who have been locked out of their message board? PDA.

Thanks for asking. The NJASAP furloughed pilots who now have their own section of the board continue to receive Union communications, including the weekly emailed newsletter. They report that never have they seen a Union be so responsive to a furlough even establishing a special committee dedicated to helping furloughed pilots. They are very appreciative that their fellow pilots participated in voluntary measures that kept them employed about an extra year. NJASAP refunded their dues and the pilot-group made generou$ donations that provided a nice Christmas and/or emergency funding for furloughed families. (That was very impressive! Kudos to all involved!) With NJASAP coordination the pilot-group has also given assistance (money, hotel points/miles, Atlantic bucks, etc) to individual furloughed pilots/families as the need arose.

 

[netjetwife]

.... but isn’t this enough yet? ... Pushing for a union is the only way I see of forcing the company to uphold certain implied contractual obligations that are worthless right now as you are all at will employees. I actually think for the most part most of the higher ups are decent guys but make no mistake they will protect themselves long before they will protect you. You need to fix that.

FW, I thought there were enough reasons for your group to organize even before I realized how convoluted/confusing things are at Flex...now... You're absolutely right. The reality is no one will consider the needs and interests of the pilot-group more than the pilots themselves. Good Luck! Seriously. Lacking the protections afforded by a contract, the Flex pilots and their families are leaving an awful lot to chance....
Regards,
NJW

 

[notapilot]

Fact is plain and simple that as a group, Flex pilots need to protect scope, lock in work rules and provide the group with a fair and equitable resolution system for dealing with disciplinary and other matters. In my mind the past year with furloughs, CAFOs.
I agree with you on these points.
Up until a little while ago your paychecks even came from BJS for jake’s sake.
I have never received a check from BJS.
And if I’m not mistaken I’ve been told some of the language that’s been added to the manuals over the past year give the implication that BJS has more and more control over “in flight” issues because they have more flexibility in the way things get handled from a regulation perspective. But that’s way out of my league as I barely understand V1 rotate.
I guess that's way out of my league as well because I have no idea what you are referring to.
Dirty Beech speaks of a few captains who have helped themselves out of a job recently. Rumor has it at least half of them were 135 issues that these guys were told plain and simple would have been a different story if they were 91 trips. And what about that guy who is now out a license let alone a job because he misunderstood the ability for ASAP to protect him on a 135 trip.
As an agent if a pilot breaks a part 135 regualtion on a part 135 trip they will be held accountable according to the part they are operating under. Same as at Netjets or anywhere else for that matter. As for the pilot that lost his license I have no idea what you are talking about and what does his lack of understanding ASAP have to do with any of this?
And why does no one want to investigate the dozens upon dozens of bombardier aircraft registered to Waterview, including a sweet fair share of globals. Now I’m not sure if that’s BJS or LXJ but no one finds that curious? Unless I am mistaken I thought the business scope of both parties limited them to operations and fractional sales not “brokership” or management so what gives? We all know there are a few planes (Houston, STL and TN might be some) that are being quietly managed on the side using LXJ resources but not LXJ pilots. And yet we have 85 on the street. That’s the connection my friend. My suspicion is that LXJ, Bombardier or BJS (let’s face it you are really an employee of all three) resources are used to generate business income but not protect pilot jobs. Might be legal, might be good business etc… but if true it’s kinda slimy.
This conspiracy theory is a little crazy. No one finds it curious because it only exists in your mind. If I understand this correctly you believe that there are 20+ LXJ planes being operated outside of Flexjet. They must be controlling all of this from the secret bunker under the Waterview. Also no one is keeping our whole owned aircraft operations quiet. In fact, we advertise it. LXJ pilots are operating those planes. I will explain who your husband works for, he is an employee of Flexjet which is a subsidiary of Bombardier. He acts as an agent for Jet Solutions, LLC.
Also why does the list of available typed pilots both bombardier and the training center give out to private whole owners in need of temporary services not include the 85 at the top of it’s lists? A good friend of my husband’s (not one of the 85) is on the list and makes a decent living doing only Bombardier and CAE Simuflite referrals and my understanding he’s one of many.
I do know a few of the 85 that do do these trips. How they crew those trips I do not know. It would be great if it would work as you describe.
This get long winded and I’d be happy to expound on more if you need me to, but isn’t this enough yet? I am only looking out for my family. If you can prove to me I have no reason to worry I will be grateful to you believe me. I WANT to be wrong.
I think you might have said enough and I would suggest you probably not say more for your sake. Your allegations are false, both companys meet the requirements of the law and have been closely scrutinized by independent auditors and the FAA. I wouldn't be as concerned about the relationship, but more concerned about the libel claims you make. If I was a lawyer for Jet Solutions or Bombardier I would pursue this libelous matter directly with you as you make some very serious accusations.

Good luck. I think that we are on the same page about where we need to be, but we do not agree on how to get there.

 

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FW, I thought there were enough reasons for your group to organize even before I realized how convoluted/confusing things are at Flex...now... You're absolutely right.
Maybe I am just a genius, but it really isn't confusing. What am I missing here?
The reality is no one will consider the needs and interests of the pilot-group more than the pilots themselves.
Finally you said something that makes sense. Congratulations!

Now back to your hole. : )