Flexjet, pilots...

[V1 Rotate]

Hey FX guys, looks like four more Flight Options pilots have slizzard over to fly with you guys. This is what each of them were making when they left FO.

BA, 15 year Phenom Capt. $102,000
MC, 15 year Beechjet Capt. $102,000
EG, 15 year Beechjet Capt. $102,000
AG, 15 year Phenom Capt. $102,000

This time the pay comparison is easy, since BA, MC, EG and AG were all 15 year guys at FO, we can look at them all as a group. On day one, as a F/O at FX, each of them will be making almost as much as your year four Lear 45 Capts., who currently make $103,000 and over $40,000 more than the year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property.

As with my last post on this subject, the source of my information was the pay scales contained in the ?Flexjet Hiring? memo both FX and FO sent out to their respective pilot groups back in August. So these are the pay numbers which were provided by the company. The Flight Options numbers came from our CBA.

BTW, your gonna love BA. I know we did.

I'm not sure of the point of this post. Are you putting down FLOPs pilots or Flex pilots? Our most junior CA is on nine year Lear CA pay, I believe. At that rate, that's $128,000 base salary. Our eight and nine year FO's are making around $85,000-87,000 base salary. With OT, bonus, and per diem as an eighth year FO, I cracked $101,000 last paycheck.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Hey FX guys, looks like four more Flight Options pilots have slizzard over to fly with you guys. This is what each of them were making when they left FO.

BA, 15 year Phenom Capt. $102,000
MC, 15 year Beechjet Capt. $102,000
EG, 15 year Beechjet Capt. $102,000
AG, 15 year Phenom Capt. $102,000

This time the pay comparison is easy, since BA, MC, EG and AG were all 15 year guys at FO, we can look at them all as a group. On day one, as a F/O at FX, each of them will be making almost as much as your year four Lear 45 Capts., who currently make $103,000 and over $40,000 more than the year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property.

As with my last post on this subject, the source of my information was the pay scales contained in the ?Flexjet Hiring? memo both FX and FO sent out to their respective pilot groups back in August. So these are the pay numbers which were provided by the company. The Flight Options numbers came from our CBA.

BTW, your gonna love BA. I know we did.

Seems like your comparison posts aren't having the affect you were hoping for.

Since you seems to be so "in the know" you should know we don't have any year 4 Lear captains. Try comparing the FO new hires to a pay rate we have people on.

It seems that so far you have zero nice things to say about anyone who has transferred to FJ. Wouldn't you be happy they left, or do you just try to spread misery everywhere you go?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I'm not sure of the point of this post. Are you putting down FLOPs pilots or Flex pilots? Our most junior CA is on nine year Lear CA pay, I believe. At that rate, that's $128,000 base salary. Our eight and nine year FO's are making around $85,000-87,000 base salary. With OT, bonus, and per diem as an eighth year FO, I cracked $101,000 last paycheck.

Stop it. There is no place for facts in this discussion, just baseless comparisons to try to prove a pointless point.

 

[luckydog]

Thanks for the update lucky. It does matter to me. I think the facts should be out there for all to see. It makes me feel better. Is that ok with you?

Absolutely OK with me. I'd like all the facts out in the open. Like, what is the point to this swap, which organization is paying the premium FJ or FO, why was it when FJ began calling the furloughed FO crews the active crews complained about not getting first chance and now "very few" are interested... and the biggest fact I'd like to know is, why the **** did the IBT ever agree to this scheme? And the next question is, why the **** do you care how the FJ crews feel about a 12+ year Options captain deciding that getting Coffee/Ice/Papers/Clearance in a LR45 is better than staying put?

My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.

In short, in my opinion, the minute the union agreed to this, they (meaning you couple of FI posters), lost the right to try and stir up trouble.

Go back to bashing the uniform, or telling us about the loss of our 401(k) match, or better yet... start thinking up new excuses about why your next contract will suck.

Happy Thanksgiving to all those out on the road delivering the promise.

 

[slowtation capt]

How is this fair when 1 of the newly transferred pilots tells them that he won't be able to sell his house and move to 1 of your bases and he is told that is ok, do t worry about just stay there and use your FO domicile as your Flex base.

 

[jetwash]

Absolutely

I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority

They will never be Granted special status.

They might just interview better for the Global and Gulfstream manager positions.

 

[V1 Rotate]

How is this fair when 1 of the newly transferred pilots tells them that he won't be able to sell his house and move to 1 of your bases and he is told that is ok, do t worry about just stay there and use your FO domicile as your Flex base.

Was this a Panama City guy? About a month ago Panama City mystetiously became a base out of no where.

 

[luckydog]

How is this fair when 1 of the newly transferred pilots tells them that he won't be able to sell his house and move to 1 of your bases and he is told that is ok, do t worry about just stay there and use your FO domicile as your Flex base.

I'm not surprised this is has occurred.

New hires always get several months to move, then an extension for a few more months. As a few FO people have posted here, the move to FJ supposedly is a temporary one, so why force someone to move. I would at least hope they are subject to the non-primary base scheduling rules.

With all the new alternative gateway FJ just opened, I'll bet this will not be the last exception granted.

 

[luckydog]

They will never be Granted special status.

They might just interview better for the Global and Gulfstream manager positions.

After seeing the way the selection process for the Global program worked, I wish them good luck. If the best person applying for the job is a Phenom 300 PIC then at least they'll finally be hiring real line-flying crew members.

Until the airplanes are run like a fleet aircraft, I want no part of it.

 

[chainring]

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My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.


Kenn has put you guys on a pedestal so you think you are superior. Flex didn't buy Options. This whole thing is just to get rid of the Union. The companies are combining and I hate to tell you but eventually ops is going to be run out of CGF. You will be run by schedulers out of County sooner or later.

Once the Union is gone Kenn will take care of the Options pilots. He's going to get as many as possible onto Gulfstreams and other dedicated crew aircraft and for the moment will go to the bottom of the list which will be adjusted at a later date.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

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My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.


Kenn has put you guys on a pedestal so you think you are superior. Flex didn't buy Options. This whole thing is just to get rid of the Union. The companies are combining and I hate to tell you but eventually ops is going to be run out of CGF. You will be run by schedulers out of County sooner or later.

Once the Union is gone Kenn will take care of the Options pilots. He's going to get as many as possible onto Gulfstreams and other dedicated crew aircraft and for the moment will go to the bottom of the list which will be adjusted at a later date.

So which one is it.

Is KR and his management team so bad that you nee a union to protect the FO pilots, or is KR the best friend of the FO pilots and can wait to screw over the FJ pilots?

You really can't have it both ways. He can't be satan and your savior at the same time. The world doesn't work that way.

I know you guys way to scare the FJ pilots, but your lack of consistency takes away from your message(s).

 

[doh]

So which one is it.

Is KR and his management team so bad that you nee a union to protect the FO pilots, or is KR the best friend of the FO pilots and can wait to screw over the FJ pilots?

You really can't have it both ways. He can't be satan and your savior at the same time. The world doesn't work that way.

I know you guys way to scare the FJ pilots, but your lack of consistency takes away from your message(s).

You're confused. He's not saying it very well, but he is talking about the SFO FO pilots. Remember, only about one third of the pilots can be SFOs. My fear is a two tiered system where the majority are treated as mere place holders to support the SFO program. It's in the book. I think it was innovative for a start up to cut attrition. I don't think it will work at a career operation where you need everyone on board to assure success.

 

[jetwash]

You're confused. He's not saying it very well, but he is talking about the SFO FO pilots. Remember, only about one third of the pilots can be SFOs. My fear is a two tiered system where the majority are treated as mere place holders to support the SFO program. .

Exactly, it is not all the FO pilot it is just his boys.
From what it looks like TWA knows this and wants to join the SFO club.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I think TWA would make an excellent SFO. There TWA, I said something nice=pay raise for you.

 

[SDCFI]

For the record it does bother me that FO pilots are coming over to FJ to do my same job in my same airplane for more money than me. I only hope the ones that aren't moving to a "gateway" are being put on the same system as FJ pilots who moved to a new base. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out they were also allowed to stay on a fixed 8/7 if that's what they were doing at FO.

How's this for fodder: so far it seems they've all been going to the 45. Perhaps the plan is to move the 45s over to FO when the 75s start coming on line and this is how they're going to staff them?