Flexjet Pilots About To Draw A Line In The Sand!!!

[netjetwife]

It was a joke, Hung.... Please note the laughing face and the fact that the satirical piece wasn't authored by me.

 

[Rouge Warrior]

For fvcks sake lady get a vibrator a box of bonbons and leave the pilot board to the pilots.

Mods NJW has used all her 10 bucks worth.

 

[Hung Start]

NJW:
I guess the satire of your comment was lost on me when you wrote this.
I apologise for not quoting the entire post.

Glass, I'm shocked to hear that Avantair pilots aren't as safe/professional as other frac pilots. Not too smart.

You see, in my world, that would be called an insult. What you seem to be missing is you are rising to a certain level of arrogance. A high level of arrogance.

You achieved that when, on two different threads, you felt the need to tell other readers to shut up and ignore you. You even had the nerve to describe how to do it. What, we are not smart enough to figure it out?

I have read your musing for years now, I have agreed on some, disagreed on others. But you really need to mind your own business sometimes.

You don't need to throw your two cents into every thread. Sometimes,, discrection is the better part of valor.

Hung

 

[netjetwife]

....You see, in my world, that would be called an insult. Only if it was serious. I didn't for a minute think that Avantair pilots discussed anything but operational readiness when preparing to take off and thus I treated the whole post I responded to as a joke, including my reply which was accompanied by a laughing face to show I was kidding. ... you felt the need to tell other readers to shut up and ignore you. Correction: I stood up for diversity, respectful dialog, and a friendly atmosphere. You even had the nerve to describe how to do it. Trying to be helpful, I copied what I have seen other members do in the past; previously posted tips (by others and myself) for those who just weren't aware of the ignore function ended with appreciative posts. ... I have read your musing for years now, I have agreed on some, disagreed on others. And where you disagreed with me others were in agreement. I expect the future will be much the same for all who post here--mixed reactions to their posts. Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. That's why it's wrong for any of us to try to silence another member whose posts may be enjoyed by others. Likewise, it's arrogant for those complaining to assume that all other FI members share their subjective view of another's posts. you really need to mind your own business sometimes. ...Hung

Just like the economy affects each of us, frac pay, schedules, work rules, etc have a ripple effect (as we have all seen) so everyone associated with the industry has the right to comment, particularly on a public message board.

Some of the frac pilotgroups have their own private message board, giving their members two posting options. I know that both of the organized groups do and it seems to work well for them. Some of their members post on both and that is my suggestion--not leaving FI. Out of curiosity, has the idea been pitched by any of the advisory councils--PAC, CAB, etc?

Info for those interested in a private board: 1108/Flt Ops Union set aside space on their message board for CS pilots and for Flex pilots, perhaps they'd do the same for Avantair pilots? I think the general idea is to give their frac peers who lack their own board a place to discuss their individual situations, events, etc. For details and current status of the offer, interested parties should ask a Flt Ops pilot.

 

[clydefastly]

Likewise, it's arrogant for those complaining to assume that all other FI members share their subjective view of another's posts.

Yet not one single person here has come to your defense(except for flex wife and she made a sexist reference with her hangy down comment, so she lost all credibility). We are not saying you are not entilted to your own opinion, just that you should keep it to yourself sometimes.

 

[golfkilo]

OMG!!!! Would someone please tell this laddy to go to shoprite and buy some milk??

NJW.....Will all due respect, in behalf of all Flex pilots we sincerely appreciate your opinions and great wishes, I am pretty sure most stuff that you say is right,......... but please we got the point now.

Here is my opinion, just came back from the supermarket, milk and cheerios are on sale today (great deal).

Hey GSX, how the h&ll did you get a picture of my ex-wife for your Avatar???

 

[netjetwife]

... Yet not one single person here has come to your defense(except for flex wife and she made a sexist reference with her hangy down comment, so she lost all credibility). We are not saying you are not entilted to your own opinion, just that you should keep it to yourself sometimes.

Two other posters (Fast and Flylow) also seemed to dislike the suppression of free speech a few have proposed on this thread, and that doesn't take into account the many that read but don't post. I think that group is often overlooked. The right/fair thing (for all of us) to do is skip those posts that hold no interest for you and leave them for all the other members (including non-posters) who have the right to decide for themselves which post has value.

Labeling FW's post as sexist and claiming she lost credibility is a good example of viewpoints being subjective. I saw it differently. To me, she was standing up for diversity and supporting the right for wives and non-pilots associated with the industry to participate in discussions here. She posted: "God forbid anyone without a hangy down or pilots license have an opinion..." end quote. Some people just aren't comfortable using the correct anatomical term and men also use many names for body parts (male and female) so I don't see that as sexist, in and of itself. Looked at in context she was defending her right to post on a public message board and discuss issues that affect her personally. Many, male pilots included, would see that as having guts and say that it adds to FW's credibility.

 

[John MClain]

Yeah that was funny considering the dead meat at the top of the list that can only draw their paychecks.

Once again go ******************** yourself, the only Dead Meat is in your clammy little hand.

 

[GSXR600]

Hey GSX, how the h&ll did you get a picture of my ex-wife for your Avatar???

Well..... I guess that’s what she likes to do after her divorce.

 

[clydefastly]

Labeling FW's post as sexist and claiming she lost credibility is a good example of viewpoints being subjective. I saw it differently. To me, she was standing up for diversity and supporting the right for wives and non-pilots associated with the industry to participate in discussions here. Other posters were not trying to hold back diversity, or your right to post here, they were just expressing their opinion that you posting the same idea over and over is annoying to some. She posted: "God forbid anyone without a hangy down or pilots license have an opinion..." end quote. The insinuation of others posting against you because you are a woman or not a pilot was not the issue before, but she tried to make it the issue with this comment. Some people just aren't comfortable using the correct anatomical term and men also use many names for body parts (male and female) so I don't see that as sexist, in and of itself.The word she used isn't the problem, the idea that you are being wronged because you are a woman is the problem I have. Looked at in context she was defending her right to post on a public message board and discuss issues that affect her personally. Nobody was challenging her right to post, there was no reason to make sex an issue.

Nobody was challenging diversity, she brought that into the conversation. That is just like someone bringing race into a situation that race was not an issue before. It was inappropriate, and insinuates that the people conversing with you are sexist. That is where I take offense. Now if I misread or misunderstood her message, than I appologize(to both you and her).

To those that have made inappropriate or sexually offensive comments to these ladies, I am not defending you, and that is something the moderators should do a better job of policing. It is uncalled for and I personally don't condone it.

 

[Ludicris]

I am starting to think that Netjetwife and B19 could be the SAME PERSON!

 

[cherry20's]

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who is tired of her...(posts that is )

Why don't you and FlexW just exchange numbers and talk all day like other good wives?

 

[dime line]

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who is tired of her...(posts that is )

Why don't you and FlexW just exchange numbers and talk all day like other good wives?

keep drinking the cool-aid

 

[flex*wife]

Nobody was challenging diversity, she brought that into the conversation. That is just like someone bringing race into a situation that race was not an issue before. It was inappropriate, and insinuates that the people conversing with you are sexist. That is where I take offense. Now if I misread or misunderstood her message, than I appologize(to both you and her).

To those that have made inappropriate or sexually offensive comments to these ladies, I am not defending you, and that is something the moderators should do a better job of policing. It is uncalled for and I personally don't condone it.

Wow Clydefastly, you take me and apparantly yourself way too seriously! I guess everytime someone makes a good point I don't like but I can find one post to counteract that wisdom, I can discredit everyting they say too. Sounds to me like you are more upset about the other issues I brought up (which interestingly no one wants to debate despite their truth and relevenace to the matters at hand).

If I thought it would actually matter, I could go quote by quote here and point out to you that thru both this board and private messages, my status as a woman and nonpilot has VERY MUCH been an issue in regards to whether or not I am someone who has a right to make a point. But I've also been told my posts are long enought as it is... hahaha

If you, as you say, are truly interested in apologizing for doing me wrong, don't just take my word for it -- there is proof. Why don't you a search on my username -- I have only commented in 3 or 4 different threads so it shouldn't be too hard to go thru. Go back and read the posts by other who point blank say I can't possibly be a woman becuase my posts are too intelligent. Or other posts where I am told to get back to the kitchen. Or posts where some point out they are soooo happy their wife actually has a job, as if I am somehow less capable of being a part of the conversation just because I must be bored. Or how bout the post where the writer was all to happy I was riled up -- made it sexy for him. Or yeah the one who suggested I need to get out things from my bedside drawer as if to insinuate I must be sexualy frustrated instead of having a right to be a part of the conversation. I am not the one who made this about sexism. AT ALL.

As for NJW, well doing a search on her might take a bit more time but I can assure you that there is plenty of evidence to substantiate a claim that she is subject to dismissal of her points simply because of her sex. I guess you'll have to apologize to her too. There are posts and pms that POINT BLANK point out that women and non-pilots' opinions DON'Treally count, both to her and myself.

I'll admit that the specific post you are referring to might be a little on the crude side, but it was written out of ultimate frustration of reading more than enough posts insulting either myself or NJW in a thread that actually could have provided real discussion or solutions or at the very least information. Now maybe there is something wrong with my sense of humor but I actually thought it was quite mild and slightly funny... Sorry you took an extemely disproprtionate amount of offense to it.

As for the inevitable continuance of inappropriate or sexually offensive remarks, I lay much more on the side of freedom of speech than repression. Personally I don't need the assistance of any moderator to be my knight in shining armor. Far more impressive to read the posts of others who point out the obvious to their coworkers. I enjoy the opportunity to let people reveal their true colors and then I accordingly, after enough evidence, can make my own judgement call on whether or not theirs is a viewpoint I care to consider.

As for NJW, I think she rocks. I am beggining to think she is a glutton for punishment, but I admire her moxie. Privately, I have expressed to her that I think any effort I put in to making a difference here is futile (in part becuase of some of the sexist banter) but she has encouraged me to continue to speak up where I feel I can bring meaningful discussion.

I have tried to pratice restraint not only in what I post, how I post or how often I post. But when you feel passionatly about something that is a hard thing to do. But I do think Clydefastly after enough research you will find you do owe me an apology. It was others, not me who made this about anatomy.

That said wasn't this thread supposed to be a joke? Or is the joke on me?

 

[Ludicris]

The fact that anyone here would believe you are actually a wife rather than one of our pilots is a joke.