Flexjet Pilots About To Draw A Line In The Sand!!!

[Dingo221]

If I cross the line at Flops, am I a scab or an *********************************** ?

 

[Dingo221]

yeah i meant an a whole

 

[harley30344]

You again, are very misinformed.
I agree with you, that a very important part of the NJI/NJA integration initiative was scope protection.
On the other hand, you need to review your history.
There are former NJA union leaders that have reported RTS "promised" they would eventually be flying Gulfstreams over 14 years ago!
Unfortunately, both of us have been "promised" things that didn't eventually come true.
RTS agreed to the integration language, maybe you should let him know how you feel an injustice has been done to you.
Did you folks let RTS know you feel he wronged you?
What did he say?
Refer to Billy V's, posts that he didn't really know what was going on (regarding integration) at the union side of the company when he was hired.
If you didn't know there was a hot issue that needed to be resolved with a new CBA, maybe you should have waited before coming to NJI, now Netjets North America.
BTW, there are many pilots on the NJA side of the company that aren't happy with this integration too.
There is a bigger picture here, that thankfully BW and his integration coworkers comprehend, that you refuse to see because of your own greed.
Brian W. is a very fair, passionate integration subject matter expert on this, ask him to draw you a picture this time.

I get it now--the promises he made to you are more important than the promises he made to us--how could I have missed that? My greed? To want to simply keep what I was hired into from day one? FYI--you have never seen me bad mouth BW on here--it isn't personal--just business!

 

[jppt2000]

I get it now--the promises he made to you are more important than the promises he made to us--how could I have missed that? My greed? To want to simply keep what I was hired into from day one? FYI--you have never seen me bad mouth BW on here--it isn't personal--just business!

Or, RTS had a plan all along.
Business is business but as BO
used to tell me constantly, "your argument and logic is circular".
Now I get what he meant.
BTW, if you play near or in the sewer, the stink might splash on you.:cartman:
You knew what was going on when you signed on.

 

[netjetwife]

Contracts are commonplace in our country for good reason. It's indisputable that it's best to get it in writing. So I think in the long-run that pilots from NJI and Flex would all be better off having a seat at the table and a voice in their career.

As to frac wives posting here: our lives are personally and profoundly affected by what happens in the industry so we are a part of the frac community with every right to post on a public message board. Some of us have husbands who want to have informed discussions and appreciate the interest and support. As do other pilots, so the few who try to stop wives from posting here are interfering with the rights of other FI members to decide for themselves whose posts they want to read. Those who want to practice censorship can do so on an individual basis by customizing their own screen via the ignore function.

Curiosity about others is natural so I propose a discussion of the differences and similarities between the fracs with the premise that no single group has all the answers and we can all learn something from each other. In this tough economic time we can also offer moral support to one another. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

I like her Boots

So do I ....

 

[HazMat]

The problem NJW is not that you post. It is the fact that you post about other Companies when you know nothing about what goes on at those Companies and you do this to spread the Union word. The facts are not something you consider it is secondary to your underlying union crap. You have become B19 to not just a few of us but most of us.

 

[fob727]

The problem NJW is not that you post. It is the fact that you post about other Companies when you know nothing about what goes on at those Companies and you do this to spread the Union word. The facts are not something you consider it is secondary to your underlying union crap. You have become B19 to not just a few of us but most of us.

speak for yourself

 

[netjetwife]

Each to their own, that's what the ignore function is for, Haz. I'm posting on this thread because I'm interested in learning about Flex, and showing support for the pilots/families that were furloughed from there--with only a 2 year recall provision. That adds insult to injury, some would say. I'm very open about my opinion that they deserve the industry standard of unlimited recall (at the very least a better match to the economic situation) and I'm hopeful the arbitrary management decision will be changed. I'm curios to see how it will turn out and what pilots there can do to bring about change. I also support the Flex folks who would like more info and a voice in the discussions--on this and other issues-- regardless if they achieve that thru their CAB or choose to stand together in a Union. You won't find B19 saying give pilots a seat at the table and opportunities to control their own career destiny.

Remember, postings are only one side of the board. PMs are the other and I've been encouraged to participate in this thread. So moving on....

Could some of the Flex folks post the latest update on the possibility that the recall time will be extended? Is there any chance that the CAB will be sitting down w/management to discuss the situation?

 

[netjetwife]

Fob, my sentiments exactly! Thanks for supporting diversity and respectful dialog. NJW

 

[Ludicris]

NJW, why are you lifting your leg - are you trying to pass gas?

 

[Ludicris]

speak for yourself

HazMat is not just speaking for himself. He is speaking for the vast majority.

 

[cherry20's]

HazMat is not just speaking for himself. He is speaking for the vast majority.

I'm gonna have to agree with Hazmat!

 

[Dilligaff]

I'm gonna have to agree with Hazmat!

Me too.

 

[luckydog]

This has to be one of the best parts of FI:
"This message is hidden because netjetwife is on your ignore list."

 

[netjetwife]

I'm all for replacing insults with issues and attempted censorship with selective reading. It's the fair thing to do...and...one has to wade thru less mud to get to the solid posts. There's a good reason I wear boots here...

 

[EatSleepFly]

Could some of the Flex folks post the latest update on the possibility that the recall time will be extended? Is there any chance that the CAB will be sitting down w/management to discuss the situation?

I don't think there is much chance that the CAB will ever do much of anything, let alone give a $#!t about the furloughs. Hard to accomplish much when they only meet a few times a year, if that. To be fair, I don't know if that's because of management or the CAB themselves, but it doesn't really matter.

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Netjetwife: Glass, I'm shocked to hear that Avantair pilots aren't as safe/professional as other frac pilots. Not too smart. The others just discuss me in the FBOs...

Me: Hey NJW.....ask Glass if he knows of any Piaggio Captains who, as an FO... have been kicked out of the plane at TEB by their Captain, or if he knows of any Piaggio Captains who have busted the ADIZ in DC (while his FO was warning him NOT to depart without a sqauwk code like the sign says) and got popped by the feds, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who lost control of his Piaggio and dumped it off the runway at SLC, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who does night "touch-n-go's" in a P-180 to satisfy night currency, scaring the living hell out of his FO as they kept landing long and hot in the dark, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who busted the altitude for the missed approach at TEB and got cranked on by the controllers for busting THAT airspace as well.

Then ask him if he knows of any professional fractionals that would employ such a Captain.

 

[netjetwife]

ESF, is the present CAB's term up? It sounds like a new group would help energize the process. A change of leadership can make a big difference.

Been there, the quote you pulled was part of a joke but the situations you describe are no laughing matter...

 

[Imissmypilot]

Same old, Same old

I don't think there is much chance that the CAB will ever do much of anything, let alone give a $#!t about the furloughs. Hard to accomplish much when they only meet a few times a year, if that. To be fair, I don't know if that's because of management or the CAB themselves, but it doesn't really matter.

I agree 100%, ESF. The CAB has a couple people who are interested and the majority only care about their job security. As such they are not going to make any waves or disagree with DG or TC. It is hard to change anything meeting so infrequently. Most of the former members of the CAB left because they cannot get anything done, so why waste their time.

We had a really good opportunity to change things for the better before the last raise when things were going great guns. Now we are banking on management to take care of us, right. I said we should've voted for a union back then and now the tables have turned, as I knew they would. DG was quite concerned about the pilot group back then - remember all the weekly voice messages about how important we all were. That's about the same as the other lie they told us many years ago about how we would always be the highest paid in the industry.

Maybe one of these days we will draw a line in the sand.

 

[HazMat]

NJW I am sure you know BTDT he is the disgruntled pilot who appears in Avantair threads under several different names. He once got busted by responding to himself using a different name. After he was called out he deleted the post. I have not seen anything at Avantair that BTDT refers too and I have been here a while.

 

[Ludicris]

ESF, is the present CAB's term up? It sounds like a new group would help energize the process. A change of leadership can make a big difference.

Been there, the quote you pulled was part of a joke but the situations you describe are no laughing matter...

NJW, Thank you so much for your concern about our CAB. Maybe we can get you in contact with our management so you can suggest what we should do. I know you can make it all better for us! Thanks NJW!

 

[netjetwife]

As far as improvements go, pilots are typically forward-thinking, problem solvers so if the Flex pilots work together they can make a difference. As to speaking to management, there's strength in numbers. A pilot group determined to have a say in their career is hard to ignore when they stand together and claim their legal right to a seat at the table. I have no doubt you guys can make it better for yourselves and your families.

 

[Ludicris]

NJW, you don't work here. We will figure it out - without you. Thanks for your deep concern on what happens in this company though - which you don't work for. Do you understand that? YOU DON'T WORK HERE.

 

[netjetwife]

NJW I am sure you know ....

Actually, I don't but from an outside look at a potentially complicated situation it reinforces the advantage of being represented by one of your own when questions arise-- as they inevitably will in an industry that requires highly technical skills governed by stacks of regulations.

Speaking of representing pilots...do CABs, PACs, etc intervene on individual situations or is it each pilot for himself? The latter sounds quite stressful.

 

[netjetwife]

Employment isn't required for general interest and friendly concern. The frac lifestyle is a common bond that makes it easy for me to identify with others in the community and wish them well in their endeavors to improve their situation. I don't work at Flt Ops either but those guys have been happy to have moral support in their fight for a fair contract. A good outcome there can have a positive impact on the industry so I do hope you are cheering them on, also.

 

[FastJP4]

I agree 100%, ESF. The CAB has a couple people who are interested and the majority only care about their job security. As such they are not going to make any waves or disagree with DG or TC. It is hard to change anything meeting so infrequently. Most of the former members of the CAB left because they cannot get anything done, so why waste their time.

We had a really good opportunity to change things for the better before the last raise when things were going great guns. Now we are banking on management to take care of us, right. I said we should've voted for a union back then and now the tables have turned, as I knew they would. DG was quite concerned about the pilot group back then - remember all the weekly voice messages about how important we all were. That's about the same as the other lie they told us many years ago about how we would always be the highest paid in the industry.

Maybe one of these days we will draw a line in the sand.

Well said.

 

[FastJP4]

NJW, you don't work here. We will figure it out - without you. Thanks for your deep concern on what happens in this company though - which you don't work for. Do you understand that? YOU DON'T WORK HERE.

Just out of curiousity - how do you plan to "figure it out".

 

[wacoflyr]

Netjetwife: Glass, I'm shocked to hear that Avantair pilots aren't as safe/professional as other frac pilots. Not too smart. The others just discuss me in the FBOs...

Me: Hey NJW.....ask Glass if he knows of any Piaggio Captains who, as an FO... have been kicked out of the plane at TEB by their Captain, or if he knows of any Piaggio Captains who have busted the ADIZ in DC (while his FO was warning him NOT to depart without a sqauwk code like the sign says) and got popped by the feds, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who lost control of his Piaggio and dumped it off the runway at SLC, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who does night "touch-n-go's" in a P-180 to satisfy night currency, scaring the living hell out of his FO as they kept landing long and hot in the dark, or if he knows of a Piaggio Captain who busted the altitude for the missed approach at TEB and got cranked on by the controllers for busting THAT airspace as well.

Then ask him if he knows of any professional fractionals that would employ such a Captain.

BTDT,... I am truly sorry. Are you okay? So much anger. I wish you the best, and hope you find peace someday.

Wacoflyr

 

[Ludicris]

Just out of curiousity - how do you plan to "figure it out".

My point is that NJW keeps sticking her nose where it doesn't belong. She really needs to get a life, rather than wasting away in front of a computer (2600 posts) HOW DEPRESSING