FlexJet and a slow death.

[CALRepublic]

Directional Capital and Flexjet reps flew into Atlanta's PDK airport this past week for meetings. Sounds like Ken Ricci wants Flex. If it happens and they merge it doesn't sound good for the Flexjet pilots who are non-union.

WOW that's really bad for the FX guys.... as if getting stapled to the bottom of a seniority list wasn't bad enough but FLOPS'???

SERENITY NOW

 

[Propilot77]

Directional Capital and Flexjet reps flew into Atlanta's PDK airport this past week for meetings. Sounds like Ken Ricci wants Flex. If it happens and they merge it doesn't sound good for the Flexjet pilots who are non-union.

OK Here we go!!!! If it's not Netjets buying Flex now its FLOPS. Come on now!!!

 

[hammer2]

WOW that's really bad for the FX guys.... as if getting stapled to the bottom of a seniority list wasn't bad enough but FLOPS'???

SERENITY NOW

No kidding! Understand Options treated the Raytheon pilots very bad.

 

[fugazi]

Signature PDK - call them and ask them yourself.


Can you see the trend with manufacturers running programs?

Raytheon's Travel Air - Gone

Cessna's Citation Air - Going

Bombardier Flexjet - Next

Yeah, Signature PDK knows it all! You're a tool!

 

[fugazi]

WOW that's really bad for the FX guys.... as if getting stapled to the bottom of a seniority list wasn't bad enough but FLOPS'???

SERENITY NOW

But on the bright side, itll be really good for flops..we are paid at least 30% more than them. Coupled with that truckers union it'll be better than NetJunk.

 

[jetwash]

But on the bright side, itll be really good for flops..we are paid at least 30% more than them. Coupled with that truckers union it'll be better than NetJunk.

The rumor is that it might be just under the Directional Capital umbrella of companies and not merged.
Such is the case of Nextant, Sentient, Spinaker, Constant Aviation and Jose's Taco Shack.

If they are merged the aircraft and customer would go to Flight Opts and the pilots to Jose's Taco Shack.

 

[rsm]

It appears Flex has to be either sold or dissolved. They (Bombardier) can't be in competition with NetJets, part of the deal with all the new airplanes NetJets just bought. So it seems they will just sell the airplanes to a different entity and hopefully offer Flex pilots and FA's jobs. Maybe?!!?!? Sucks as Flex was a awesome place to work.

 

[ProFracPilot]

The rumor is that it might be just under the Directional Capital umbrella of companies and not merged.

Our Section 1 protections aren't rock solid, but I don't think KCR could get away with doing this. Then again, he may be looking to challenge scope.

 

[Praetorian]

The rumor is that it might be just under the Directional Capital umbrella of companies and not merged.
Such is the case of Nextant, Sentient, Spinaker, Constant Aviation and Jose's Taco Shack.

If they are merged the aircraft and customer would go to Flight Opts and the pilots to Jose's Taco Shack.

The only way they could do that is if they operated it as a strictly charter business. Pesky parallel operations clause in Scope.

 

[Praetorian]

WOW that's really bad for the FX guys.... as if getting stapled to the bottom of a seniority list wasn't bad enough but FLOPS'???

SERENITY NOW

What's your issue with Flight Options?

Btw, the word "FLOPS" is the equivalent of "nuttjets" in the view of many of us that work at Flight Options.

Also, I don't think the IBT merger policy stipulates a "staple".

 

[CALRepublic]

What's my issue with flops? Are you telling me you don't have any issues with "nuttjets"? I bet you have several, most corporate pilots do

I also used the word "staple", but if you take another look I didn't start that, i was quoting someone else

 

[Praetorian]

What's my issue with flops? Are you telling me you don't have any issues with "nuttjets"? I bet you have several, most corporate pilots do

I also used the word "staple", but if you take another look I didn't start that, i was quoting someone else

Actually, I don't have any issues with NJ. I think it would be a great place to work. First and foremost, for me, they have a Union, also, industry leading contract, the strength of Berkshire backing them up...

So answer my question, what's your issue with, ahem, Flight Options?

 

[Praetorian]

It appears Flex has to be either sold or dissolved. They (Bombardier) can't be in competition with NetJets, part of the deal with all the new airplanes NetJets just bought.

There it is. Right there. Same can be said of CA. Although I think it's more accurate to say they just can't do frac/jet card. Nothing stoping either of these companies from competing in the charter market. But frac/jet card is much more profitable.

Understanding this is key to understanding how the Frac industry is evolving right now. Can't even scapegoat the union at Flex.

 

[pilotyip]

Looks like the Fractional Ownership model is under pressure due to shifting customer preferences. Much like the Blockbuster Video Rental Chain, great in its day but over come by shifting markets forces and customer preferences.

 

[CALRepublic]

Actually, I don't have any issues with NJ. I think it would be a great place to work. First and foremost, for me, they have a Union, also, industry leading contract, the strength of Berkshire backing them up...

So answer my question, what's your issue with, ahem, Flight Options?

No no big issues. I've heard is not a good place to work, pay is low, guys getting furloughed base on aircraft not seniority, the company not matching the 401K.

I've flown with a few guys that came from there, they tell me the stories. Not impressed with the place. Ofcourse is all hearsay, I don't have firm evidence to back that up if that's what your asking

Also the 3 people that I've flown with that came from flops are all senior to me, meaning they've been here at NJA at least 10 years. My information is old, but sounds like is accurate?