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Thanks to w8n4swa for the leg work. I interviewed 3/4 June and got the good news 21 June. Now swimming with the rest of you in a pool that is in dire need of shocking!
Talked to KD on several occasions (all conversations were pre-cancel)...she gave the impression that the 3/4 June interview class was on the bubble for the cancelled 30 Sep class. Optimistically, that would put some of us in the second class after training resumes.
'Sup Leroy.
MaxFly, do you live in NY?
TTBoy
Talked to KD on several occasions (all conversations were pre-cancel)...she gave the impression that the 3/4 June interview class was on the bubble for the cancelled 30 Sep class. Optimistically, that would put some of us in the second class after training resumes.
'Sup Leroy.
MaxFly, do you live in NY?
TTBoy
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Sent in the list this morning..
Hey all,
Again..sorry for the delay getting this list started. I just sent in the list this morning...17 members strong. The system administrator mentioned something about file size and disk space...the swa pool list file is rather large and may require a change of format to shrink ths size. Hopefully we'll see the FDX Pool List posted soon. Thanks for your patience,
W8n4swa
Hey all,
Again..sorry for the delay getting this list started. I just sent in the list this morning...17 members strong. The system administrator mentioned something about file size and disk space...the swa pool list file is rather large and may require a change of format to shrink ths size. Hopefully we'll see the FDX Pool List posted soon. Thanks for your patience,
W8n4swa
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Word on the inside is they cancelled the classes because the other aircraft programs (A-300, DC-10, etc.) were falling behind the 727 in all the upgrade training required. In other words, 727 training ramped up to replace alot of people who are not leaving the plane as fast as planned. That's better news than my first assumption - that the slumping economy was affecting us.
Good luck guys. It's a blast here.
Good luck guys. It's a blast here.
Slumping economy?? Hopefully this economy will "slump" for a while because Fedex is currently kicking butt! Passenger airlines are taking it on the chin, but they've had it coming a long time before Sept 11. Folks who've been with Fedex for a couple years say a break in training over the Christmas Season is standard. If I have to wait a few more months to join the only flying company with a stock that has actually gained since September 11, than I guess life could be worse.
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Eaaasy there Rock. Your post might be mistaken for gloating (which I doubt it was), which in these tough times would be bad form.
It is true FedEx is doing well at the moment. We are lucky/blessed/insightful or whatever to be working there vice Delta, American, etc. However...as we go into contract negotiations in 2004, the last thing we want to see is concessionary contracts from our pax brothers. Remember...UAL and DAL contracts set a new standard. UPS next year will likely be our most attainable benchmark. In any case, we (as the pilot force) all do better when EVERYONE is doing well. Bruce Cheever said in our indoc class that FedEx was like Mohammad Ali....who Bruce claimed was the best boxer because he boxed as well backing up as he did going forward. The analogy is that FedEx's aggressive cost control helps the company remain profitable, even in trying times like these.
One point to remember, however, is the same "cost control" formula means FedEx stays lean and "underhires". Guys who work overtime and sell back vacation, etc. make up the difference in capacity. Check previous posts on the issue--however--the tradeoff for young guys for the great job security (which we appreciate) is slower advancement for those of us on the property and longer waits in the pool for guys like you. Retirements might help drain the pool, as would mobilization of many of the military guys at FedEx if Iraq heats up. However...the best way to drain the pool is for the economy to start picking up, with a corresponding increase in freight volumes. Another economy issue--a LOT of over 60 guys are staying on the panel...I can't speak for them but if they are like the other 95% of people who invested in 401ks, etc. along the way I'm sure they aren't feeling as prosperous as they were in 2000. So...some retiring folks are simply "swapping seats" verses leaving the company. I met a nice jumpseater today who was an MD11 guy who will move to the panel on the 727 in December...but I don't know the percentage of guys who quit for good verses just change jobs.
Here's hoping EVERYONE is back on the job soon....
It is true FedEx is doing well at the moment. We are lucky/blessed/insightful or whatever to be working there vice Delta, American, etc. However...as we go into contract negotiations in 2004, the last thing we want to see is concessionary contracts from our pax brothers. Remember...UAL and DAL contracts set a new standard. UPS next year will likely be our most attainable benchmark. In any case, we (as the pilot force) all do better when EVERYONE is doing well. Bruce Cheever said in our indoc class that FedEx was like Mohammad Ali....who Bruce claimed was the best boxer because he boxed as well backing up as he did going forward. The analogy is that FedEx's aggressive cost control helps the company remain profitable, even in trying times like these.
One point to remember, however, is the same "cost control" formula means FedEx stays lean and "underhires". Guys who work overtime and sell back vacation, etc. make up the difference in capacity. Check previous posts on the issue--however--the tradeoff for young guys for the great job security (which we appreciate) is slower advancement for those of us on the property and longer waits in the pool for guys like you. Retirements might help drain the pool, as would mobilization of many of the military guys at FedEx if Iraq heats up. However...the best way to drain the pool is for the economy to start picking up, with a corresponding increase in freight volumes. Another economy issue--a LOT of over 60 guys are staying on the panel...I can't speak for them but if they are like the other 95% of people who invested in 401ks, etc. along the way I'm sure they aren't feeling as prosperous as they were in 2000. So...some retiring folks are simply "swapping seats" verses leaving the company. I met a nice jumpseater today who was an MD11 guy who will move to the panel on the 727 in December...but I don't know the percentage of guys who quit for good verses just change jobs.
Here's hoping EVERYONE is back on the job soon....
Gloating? Not me. I'm having a hard enough time just keeping my head above water as I paddle around the pool. And obviously guys like you and Huck have a better idea of what is going on within the company than those of us bobbing around waiting for our turn, but....I don't think it is a secret that airlines like USAir, United, and in some respects American, were heading into trouble before Sept 11. If I remember correctly, Northwest was the only major still hiring, and they were already curtailing training dates. Sept 11 just accelerated a process that had already begun. Obviously, even SWA and JetBlue aren't above financial difficulties, but I think they've set a model that the other major airlines are going to have to study if they want to make a move back into the black.
Now, with regard to FedEx...1st quarter net profits rise 45% and their stock is upgraded to a strong buy by almost every analyst that covers them. Most of the increase in profit has come as a result of ground shipping, but projections are air cargo is the fastest (only?) growing segment of the airline industry and Boeing projects it will triple in the next 20 years. I have obviously had absolutely nothing to do with any of that, but I do rest easy in the knowledge that FedEx is probably not feeling a huge pinch from any slowdown in the economy. In fact, just the opposite appears to be the case. That was the gist of my point to Huck. Nothing more.
With regard to your comments about contracts and unions, powerful unions are a wonderful thing for union members employed by a strong company, but a quick look at United reveals the result of pathetic management and aggressive union bosses all seeking competing goals. At the rate the pool is draining, (and with my timing with Guard obligations) I may still be in the pool while the next FedEx contract is negotiated. If so, I hope it is negotiated with both the interests of the pilots and company in mind. I work with a bunch of guys furloughed from other airlines, that are more concerned about their airlines survival than that 20% pay raise they just achieved.
Now, with regard to FedEx...1st quarter net profits rise 45% and their stock is upgraded to a strong buy by almost every analyst that covers them. Most of the increase in profit has come as a result of ground shipping, but projections are air cargo is the fastest (only?) growing segment of the airline industry and Boeing projects it will triple in the next 20 years. I have obviously had absolutely nothing to do with any of that, but I do rest easy in the knowledge that FedEx is probably not feeling a huge pinch from any slowdown in the economy. In fact, just the opposite appears to be the case. That was the gist of my point to Huck. Nothing more.
With regard to your comments about contracts and unions, powerful unions are a wonderful thing for union members employed by a strong company, but a quick look at United reveals the result of pathetic management and aggressive union bosses all seeking competing goals. At the rate the pool is draining, (and with my timing with Guard obligations) I may still be in the pool while the next FedEx contract is negotiated. If so, I hope it is negotiated with both the interests of the pilots and company in mind. I work with a bunch of guys furloughed from other airlines, that are more concerned about their airlines survival than that 20% pay raise they just achieved.
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All good points....
Six months ago a furloughed buddy from UAL went to Paris on passes (even though he was furloughed) and I was a bit envious. Now as he tries to juggle part time ANG and other potential jobs while he waits to go (hopefully) go back to UAL in 2-5 years, I am just thrilled to be at FedEx. I'll fork over the cash for the tickets as long as I have a JOB...and you can't eat airline passes when times get tough.
I don't know enough about union issues and previous wage battles to say very much intelligent about the issue. To the company, I'm a probationary pilot. To the union, I am an apprentice. Seems to me that pretty much means "wear your pin, but don't open your hole too much"...and so I try to listen more than talk on any union issues. However, somewhere between "fair share" and "killing the golden goose" there has got to be some fair settlement in 2004. I'll defer to profile, et al. for the "big picture" on mgt verses labor at FedEx.
However...like you...in this economy it is nice to see GOOD news for a change, and so far our company seems to be doing things right. Despite the standard mgt verses labor noise out there it really is a great place to work. I hope your pool drains quickly and you guys are in training early in the spring. I know you're ready to rock whereever and whenever they send you, but perhaps you can at least have a line number before you (or we..) go.
Six months ago a furloughed buddy from UAL went to Paris on passes (even though he was furloughed) and I was a bit envious. Now as he tries to juggle part time ANG and other potential jobs while he waits to go (hopefully) go back to UAL in 2-5 years, I am just thrilled to be at FedEx. I'll fork over the cash for the tickets as long as I have a JOB...and you can't eat airline passes when times get tough.
I don't know enough about union issues and previous wage battles to say very much intelligent about the issue. To the company, I'm a probationary pilot. To the union, I am an apprentice. Seems to me that pretty much means "wear your pin, but don't open your hole too much"...and so I try to listen more than talk on any union issues. However, somewhere between "fair share" and "killing the golden goose" there has got to be some fair settlement in 2004. I'll defer to profile, et al. for the "big picture" on mgt verses labor at FedEx.
However...like you...in this economy it is nice to see GOOD news for a change, and so far our company seems to be doing things right. Despite the standard mgt verses labor noise out there it really is a great place to work. I hope your pool drains quickly and you guys are in training early in the spring. I know you're ready to rock whereever and whenever they send you, but perhaps you can at least have a line number before you (or we..) go.
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Fedex Interviews
I recently started at Fedex and my class was told that we would be the last class until next year. 3 people in my class are on furlough from a major US Airline with hubs in Charlotte and Pittsburgh. There have also been smaller groups of people interviewing as late as last week. Currently Fedex has closed the internet application process but you can still update online if you were already in the system. There are plenty of furloughees on the property though. They did require them to provide copies of their resignation letters to their previous employers.
I recently started at Fedex and my class was told that we would be the last class until next year. 3 people in my class are on furlough from a major US Airline with hubs in Charlotte and Pittsburgh. There have also been smaller groups of people interviewing as late as last week. Currently Fedex has closed the internet application process but you can still update online if you were already in the system. There are plenty of furloughees on the property though. They did require them to provide copies of their resignation letters to their previous employers.
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