Fallout from an age 60-Rule change

[sandman2122]

Maybe it's really the crabs affecting his logic......

BTW, he should cut back on the "canyon blue" koolaid.......it's staining his shirt.

 

[SWA/FO]

Dude, every SWA employees pay & QOL has gone up since 9/11/01.. All the other carriers (losing money) have cut pay and benefits. So when things get turned around, you don't think your unions going to look at the pay at other carriers? You know compare.... that sounds about right?

 

[canyonblue]

I think that the attitudes are on the other side. You are all back to 1993 and letting Southwest know that you are coming after us. Hello again Continental Lite, Metrojet, United Shuttle. We are hearing the same thing that was beat into Southwest 15 years ago, and the attitudes of the other pilots does not change a bit, in fact that attitude against Southwest, is what motivates many more than anything else, the fact that other pilots out there are still hoping we fail. Well, sorry if we disappoint you. If it seems that Southwest pilots have an "ego" on this board then great, why does that bother anyone? If that "ego" will be the downfall of Southwest then why let it bother you, after all it may be the very thing that helps ruin Southwest so let it catch on, and permeate the airline. I don't spend my time worrying about what a United or Continental pilot are thinking about, why care about what a Southwest pilot thinks. Does it really bother you that much if any Southwest pilot has an "ego"? Man if that is the biggest problem you face today, then you need more therapy than Flightinfo to help you with your problems with Southwest. Do the pilots at Southwest know this industry is tumultuous? Yes. Do the pilots at Southwest know that it could falter? Yes. Do we spend are time worrying about it? No. I go to work and do what’s best for my company and in turn I am doing what’s best for me. If the need arises to change what is best for the company then I will gladly do what is needed. The funny thing on this board is that many pilots are just like that friend that is in a miserable marriage. If you seem too happy with your marriage it makes them uncomfortable. They would rather you suffer with them, feel the real hate and anger that a bad marriage produces. Well, sorry if I'm happy. Misery loves company, no thanks, I think I like it here.

 

[jbDC9]

Southwest is currently one of few airlines making money. Southwest is currently holding the bar up, repeat, holding the bar up on the industry. We are holding the line, saving the profession....

you guys should hope we keep the pace. So lets review, airline making money, holding the bar up for the whole industry & saving the profession! The closest thing to bulletproof there is.......Heroes we are!!!!

Wow, this guy is a true American hero... can we nominate him for the Medal of Honor or something? Hold that bar up, don't drop it! Save the profession!

That must be some wicked good Kool-Aid they're passing out at SWA. And now, I feel like I need to go puke...

 

[SWAdude]

So let me get this straight.... Southwest is currently one of few airlines making money. Southwest is currently holding the bar up, repeat, holding the bar up on the industry. We are holding the line, saving the profession and you guys want us to give back our pay?

When DAL wanted UAL + 1% no one was saying "hey we should give back some money, because someday we might be in bankruptcy". Not one person. So now that a bunch of Legacy carriers are playing the low employee moral, cutbacks and bankruptcy game you guys want Southwest to play along? Well, guess what, we are making money, repet making money in this environment and we are not going to play that game.

When things get healthy again, you guys will base your negotiations off of our contract (if anyone could ever convert "trips to hourly" correctly), you guys should hope we keep the pace. So lets review, airline making money, holding the bar up for the whole industry & saving the profession! The closest thing to bulletproof there is.......Heroes we are!!!!

SWA/FO..

With all due respect,

Will you shut the f*ck up already!!!!

You are not doing anyone, any good.

 

[waitin]

What SWAdude said...

Chill already.

 

[Reebo]

So the minute all this happens (hope not).... I'll be the first in line to give back all my pay? What is the rational here? Employees of UAL & AA on didn't give back money on 9/12/01?

All I was trying to say is that things can change in an instant. I was just throwing out some unlikely situations that could harm WN's future. Benelli made a great post which I agree with. Enjoy life at WN, just don't think that it can't do a 180 in a very short period of time.

 

[SWAdude]

All I was trying to say is that things can change in an instant. I was just throwing out some unlikely situations that could harm WN's future. Benelli made a great post which I agree with. Enjoy life at WN, just don't think that it can't do a 180 in a very short period of time.

I have been hearing this for 12 years now.

9/11, recession, skyrocketing fuel prices....we can take quite the punch and keep going strong.

Give me an example of what it will take to make that sudden 180 that wouldn't also devastate the entire industry??

 

[canyonblue]

benelli,

Your post is your gut feelings, but posting it here really does not do much but have the peanut gallery chime in. Unfortunately, even though this post is more directed towards Southwest Pilots, there is no way to keep all the regulars from chiming in to provide their own "deep" thoughts. My advise to you is to submit your post to the Reporting Point, where it could reach a broader base of Southwest Pilots. There is no shortage of opinions in the Southwest pilot group, as you know, as well as many on this board. Unfortunately, like you said in your post, your opinions while flying at SWA from senior pilots, are greeted with the same velocity as on this board, a very happy Will you shut the f*ck up already!!!! With all due respect SWADude.

 

[FurloughedTwice]

Well said SWAdude!!

Short and to the point!!

 

[Junkflyer]

Hey they're heroes! We should kiss their feet whenever we see them. My God we are lucky to be in the same airport that our heroic SWA pilots fly in to. They even have a tv show! I think all pilots should donate 10 % of their wages to show our appreciation to our heroes.

 

[SWA/FO]

SWAdude, that is showing no respect at all. As a fellow union brother, I would expect a little more from you. I have made a few points and the comback is always: I can't believe they hired you, or every company has their 10%, you have a type rating etc....Point is you guys always like to attack me. Getting attacked from my own kind, now that is new low. Real nice there SWAdude I expect it from others.

So we have a 9 month FO asking me if Southwest is my first airline? We should be asking him why he went to UAL in the first place looks as if SWA was his second choice?

 

[sf260pilot]

To all of the SWA people on this thread: When was the last time Herb or GK lied to you about what was going on with the Airline? I would be very cautious to respond to a post from someone who thinks they know how to handle a potential problem at SWA based on what they did at their previous airline. The one thing that has kept SW profitable all of these years is its people. Period end of story. A large number of those people are reaching the termination point in their career. I hope the new pilots work a fraction as hard as the 59.9 guys that I know at SW. If everyone does what they can SWA will be fine.

 

[canyonblue]

To all of the SWA people on this thread: When was the last time Herb or GK lied to you about what was going on with the Airline? I would be very cautious to respond to a post from someone who thinks they know how to handle a potential problem at SWA based on what they did at their previous airline. The one thing that has kept SW profitable all of these years is its people. Period end of story. A large number of those people are reaching the termination point in their career. I hope the new pilots work a fraction as hard as the 59.9 guys that I know at SW. If everyone does what they can SWA will be fine.

Nice post. I agree what happens at other carriers does not instantly apply to Southwest. Senior pilots at Southwest, especially most Captains, WILL benefit from a change in age 60. But I still feel that it is because of those very same Captains that made choices in 1994, that I am employed at SWA.

 

[USMC319]

C'mon guys, let SWA/FO have his day in the sun. Many of us remember being in that position with our "bullet-proof" airlines in the past. You remember when seeing a Southwest palne taxi by and thinking...those poor bastards, I feel sorry for them? Well they haven't changed course since then, rather the rest of the industry has taken a dive and now most of us have had to start over or are working for much less. You remember our "big egos" when we were untouchable, so ease up on SWA/FO, let him be like the little dog that spins in circles and jumps up on you when you walk in the door. Its refreshing.