Falcon sms = transonic????

[waddawurld]

Actually I was only speaking with regard to the corporate world (leaving fractionals and regionals out of the equation), and my experience in 35+ years in the business is what I said before- big plane, big bag.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Actually I was only speaking with regard to the corporate world (leaving fractionals and regionals out of the equation), and my experience in 35+ years in the business is what I said before- big plane, big bag.

I hear what you're saying...I just look a little further.

To me, QOL is largely dependent on STAFFING. I could care less about the size of the plane.

A previous job I had was all larger planes and QOL was very high as the planes were staffed with 5-6 pilots each. Of course along with that came big department issues common to many places...but anyhow..a Learjet I flew was 2 pilots. When it flew, we flew...mx, etc - one of us went. We were expected to arrange our vacation around mx or the bosses schedule - again - F**k that. It gets old. The promise of supplemental help is met with a fight over "why do you need time off, you just had a week off in Apsen"...lovely...of course throw in the average dirtbag MGMT company and some charter! - wow life really sucks.

Point is, I would much rather be on a well staffed ANYTHING than a 2 pilot airplane, and from my experience in corporate, smaller aircraft are far more often staffed with 2 pilots. Big bag or small bag...it usually sucks. Thats why I shop the job, not the plane. I cant think of a bigger nightmare than a charter/managed long range plane with 2 pilots. You would have to be a single person with no life to deal with that (IMHO) Its pretty easy to pick out the bitter old 3 divorce corporate pilots. I guess I just don't have that dedication to aviation.

A well staffed large plane seems to bring good QOL and the best chance for a large paycheck (and paycheck is a close 2nd to me!) - add a nice boss to fly and a good manager/pilot running it - you are in good shape!

In a perfect world.....

:laugh:

 

[JJET44]

Interesting yes....big seller? doubt it..

Range and comfort (cabin altitude, humidity, galley, etc) are far higher on buyers lists these days. OEMs also seem to be putting 90% of their effort into the longest range aircraft, and all are going FBW.

I keep hearing of more and more .85+ airplanes being flown at .80-.82 to save money.

There would always be a handful of rich eccentrics willing to pay any price for the hottest, fastest thing...but the current plan of lying low and not being noticed looks like it will (sadly) be here for a LONG LONG time!

>>>Then how do you explain how the C-X is the busiest and most popular fleet at NetJets and that Citation Shares (or whatever they're calling themselves now) just decided to add the X to their fleet?

I believe that no matter how bad things get, speed will always be as important if not more important to some then cabin size and galley. Judging by NetJet's #s, that some are a large group.

 

[G4G5]

Q of L is the key, I would take it over $$$.

The problem that I have discovered is that places with great Q of L don't pay and that's fine if you aren't flying. But great Q of L can disappear very quickly and then the excuses come, the salery survey BS starts, people start to leave, mgt offers titles, yada yada.

The thing is the $$$ never comes. I have never seen of heard of a flt operation that has sorry for the increased work load and reduced Q of L, here's a raise.........

 

[BoilerUP]

G-D G4G5, way to screw up the screen formatting with all 'dem Falcon types...

 

[G4G5]

But moisseur it's not my fault...

How many time have u heard that at a Falcon service center

 

[timmay]

I hear what you're saying...I just look a little further.

To me, QOL is largely dependent on STAFFING. I could care less about the size of the plane.

A previous job I had was all larger planes and QOL was very high as the planes were staffed with 5-6 pilots each. Of course along with that came big department issues common to many places...but anyhow..a Learjet I flew was 2 pilots. When it flew, we flew...mx, etc - one of us went. We were expected to arrange our vacation around mx or the bosses schedule - again - F**k that. It gets old. The promise of supplemental help is met with a fight over "why do you need time off, you just had a week off in Apsen"...lovely...of course throw in the average dirtbag MGMT company and some charter! - wow life really sucks.

Point is, I would much rather be on a well staffed ANYTHING than a 2 pilot airplane, and from my experience in corporate, smaller aircraft are far more often staffed with 2 pilots. Big bag or small bag...it usually sucks. Thats why I shop the job, not the plane. I cant think of a bigger nightmare than a charter/managed long range plane with 2 pilots. You would have to be a single person with no life to deal with that (IMHO) Its pretty easy to pick out the bitter old 3 divorce corporate pilots. I guess I just don't have that dedication to aviation.

A well staffed large plane seems to bring good QOL and the best chance for a large paycheck (and paycheck is a close 2nd to me!) - add a nice boss to fly and a good manager/pilot running it - you are in good shape!

In a perfect world.....

:laugh:

Ha I fly a 2 pilot part 135 604 and I wouldn't change jobs with you for anything. Salary, bonus for flying charters, bennies, and over the last 3 years I have averaged around 100 hrs of flying and 20 days AT WORK. Type of plane, operating rules, and and anything else you care to measure don't compare to who you work for. I know a guy who makes around 200k on a Hawker. Quality of life is all about who you work for.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Ha I fly a 2 pilot part 135 604 and I wouldn't change jobs with you for anything. Salary, bonus for flying charters, bennies, and over the last 3 years I have averaged around 100 hrs of flying and 20 days AT WORK. Type of plane, operating rules, and and anything else you care to measure don't compare to who you work for. I know a guy who makes around 200k on a Hawker. Quality of life is all about who you work for.

well OK! It took me a few times to read it to comprehend, but I think I got it.

Thanks, but I don't think I would ever want to switch jobs with you either.

Glad you like your job, so do I -- and at the end of the day....airline, fractional, corporate, freight, CFI, whatever...that's all that matters.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

G-D G4G5, way to screw up the screen formatting with all 'dem Falcon types...

yeah man, if you are dreaming of all them junk french type ratings just use a "/" between them, not a ","

Its in the CODDE.

:laugh:

 

[2000Easyguy]

Is there a puke icon here somewhere...(-_-).

uke:

 

[bizjet800]

G-D G4G5, way to screw up the screen formatting with all 'dem Falcon types...

No kidding, is it really necessary to list all the different Sub-models? As if anyone on FI cares.

 

[bizjet800]

yeah man, if you are dreaming of all them junk french type ratings just use a "/" between them, not a ","

Its in the CODDE.

:laugh:

And does it really matter if you have flown all the different G models? BTW, what is a G-IIc?

 

[G4G5]

No kidding, is it really necessary to list all the different Sub-models? As if anyone on FI cares.

But Monsieur, each sub-type represents a varition that requires a special skill set that only the finest French avaitors in the world possess.

Each type represents an independant work of art. Does Claude Monet only get credit for Water Liles? No he gets credit for all his beautiful works of art and so should I. A simpleton such as a Gulfstream pilot would never be able to comprehend all of the advanced technical training and paperwork required just so one could be graced to fly such beautiful flying machines.

Viva la France!!!

 

[bizjet800]

But Monsieur, each sub-type represents a varition that requires a special skill set that only the finest French avaitors in the world possess.

Each type represents an independant work of art. Does Claude Monet only get credit for Water Liles? No he gets credit for all his beautiful works of art and so should I. A simpleton such as a Gulfstream pilot would never be able to comprehend all of the advanced technical training and paperwork required just so one could be graced to fly such beautiful flying machines.

Viva la France!!!

True, but didn't he cut off his ear? Now that's a sub-type variant! Although that would save some space under his avatar.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

And does it really matter if you have flown all the different G models? BTW, what is a G-IIc?

Does it matter??

Of course it does.

I have been flying Gulfstreams since you were in diapers son. Remember, few aircraft embody such an iconic level as genuinely as a Gulfstream.

The GIIc - It's special Grumman G2 model that was certified to 51,000ft before any airplanes even THOUGHT of going to the edge of space like that.

I have pictures, I wish I could post them online here.

 

[bizjet800]

I had a Lear 45 up to 510, the only difference was the numbers on the altimeter.

 

[bizjet800]

I have been flying Gulfstreams since you were in diapers son.

Perhaps, but when you again wear depends diapers, I'll still be flying Gulfstreams!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Perhaps, but when you again wear depends diapers, I'll still be flying Gulfstreams!

I'm staying until they take my leather jacket away.

Then I will envy you, just like most pilots out there.

Good to hear you have a seat in a dream machine from Savannah.

:beer:

 

[semperfido]

Perhaps, but when you again wear depends diapers, I'll still be flying Gulfstreams!

LOL, but they have a pill for that. I'll hobble on board with my cane as old Gulfstream pilots don't die or fade away, they just keep taking up space.

 

[bizjet800]

I am getting the Hover round (motorized wheel chair) door mod so I can get a running start, fly up the stairs and into the cockpit. Heck, I think I'll even remove the captains seat and the radio rack, and install a forward lav for my depends, so I don't have to get out of my mart cart while I fly, nor while I visit the villages in Florida. Life alert is next...I have fallen and I can't get up to shoot the approach! I am still awaiting FAA approval.

 

[Kingairrick]

But Monsieur, each sub-type represents a varition that requires a special skill set that only the finest French avaitors in the world possess.

Each type represents an independant work of art. Does Claude Monet only get credit for Water Liles? No he gets credit for all his beautiful works of art and so should I. A simpleton such as a Gulfstream pilot would never be able to comprehend all of the advanced technical training and paperwork required just so one could be graced to fly such beautiful flying machines.

Viva la France!!!

It must be really special skills, since 2 of the types you've "flown" haven't flown at all yet, and 2 are non-existent...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

It must be really special skills, since 2 of the types you've "flown" haven't flown at all yet, and 2 are non-existent...

Good catch Rick!

see Gulfstream G4G5 wannabe guy, nothing gets by us Falcon folks.

 

[G4G5]

The SMS is a joke, I get that one but name the others....

 

[Kingairrick]

900LX hasn't flown yet. DA-50B non-existent. DA900A non-existent.

 

[Kingairrick]

Correction;
Just checked and they did fly the first 900LX recently. But, it's not certified yet, so none have been delivered.

 

[rumrnr78]

I flew the Falcon 50ex during my short stint at the phone company. Glad to be off the piece of ********************e and back in a Bombardier product.

I would, however, leave Bombardier for Gulfstream!

The ultimate would be a Legacy! Anybody know anything about them?

 

[semperfido]

I flew a straight F50 for about 2000 hrs and always thought it was a great machine. Wouldn't mind flying one again. BUT, a new G550 won't be bad either.

 

[G4G5]

900LX hasn't flown yet. DA-50B non-existent. DA900A non-existent.

Semantics DA900A or just DA900:
Little Rock refered to the first group of 900's as "A's" until 1991 when they became "B's" with the TFE731-5BR-1C engines upgrades. At least that's what they called them when I went out with the aircraft to get the engines upgraded.

Directly from the Dassault Press Release:
"The 4,800 nm Falcon 900LX made its first public appearance at EBACE in May 2008 after nearly a year of flight testing and is expected to enter service in the middle of 2010."

From the Dassault Time Line web site:
"Falcon 20-3 is an early trijet design based on the Falcon 20 airframe. Its name was changed to Falcon 50 to show that it was newer than the Falcon 30-40. This particular version, called the Falcon 50A, was dropped in favor of the Falcon 50B with a new supercritical wing to optimize its speed and range."

I don't have the types listed under ratings, they are under aircraft flown. Other then the SMS they have all flown.

I am thinking of changing my call sign to MonsieurFalcon.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I am thinking of changing my call sign to MonsieurFalcon.

SEE! - those beautiful 900ex's are already rubbing off on you!

Pretty soon you will stop showering and pull the TR's off your Grumman.

(Monsieur there is simply no need for them)

 

[G4G5]

I flew the Falcon 50ex during my short stint at the phone company. Glad to be off the piece of ********************e and back in a Bombardier product.

I would, however, leave Bombardier for Gulfstream!

The ultimate would be a Legacy! Anybody know anything about them?

BLASPHEMY!!!!

I will meet you at the TEB FSI tomorrow at noon, Pistols at 20 paces. You do not deserve to live.....

All kidding aside I flew a 50ex and I loved it. We were always light, short stage lengths, it was a rocket ship.