F18 Down?

[okcplt]

You may be right at some point. But, right now you're wrong. It's way too early to be questioning the pilot's decision making.

Huh?

The accident is 3 mos old. The facts are known. The Marine Corp has already punished those it feels are responsible.

The pilot's status is grounded.

When do we question his decision making?

In the civilian world the PIC, has the final authority and responsibility of how the aircraft is operated.

 

[transpac]

Huh?

The accident is 3 mos old. The facts are known. The Marine Corp has already punished those it feels are responsible.

The pilot's status is grounded.

When do we question his decision making?

In the civilian world the PIC, has the final authority and responsibility of how the aircraft is operated.

The pilot being grounded (but still wearing wings) means the USMC is still considering his status. Apparently the board with the long green table hasn't met yet, or at least hasn't released a decision. All I know is what I read in the papers. If you have privileged info, maybe you do have a basis for your personal opinion. As for me, I haven't heard or read anything that confirms that a reasonable person with the same set of facts wouldn't have made the same decision as the pilot. We don't know the command atmosphere, the training scenarios in his background, or whether or not he was unduly influenced to bring the bird home. Certainly if he had attempted to land at North Island he wouldn't have crashed near Miramar. In the same vein, he wouldn't have crashed if he'd stayed in bed instead of going flying.

 

[Bluto13]

This guy is doing his first CQ in the Hornet, a nervous time for anyone, and has mechanical problems, brings his jet back to land and has multiple senior sources telling him what to do. No one here knows how they would react given his experience level and these circumstances. Wait for the actual JAG to come out and then at least you will have the facts to acurately second guess everyone's decisions, good and bad.

 

[bagasticks]

I thought the "don't turn into a dead engine" crap died when WWll ended.

depends on the airframe. . and if you're performance limited or control limited, weight, etc. .

 

[ChrisJT6]

Unknown details

This young Marine's IPs no doubt instructed him to come to Mirimar on the base radio. So, if he disregarded their orders and spiralled down from 20K ontop of North Isld...experienced the same engine failures and then crashed into Coronado's Belle Hotel...would you still have your Monday morning genius comments?

 

[SIG600]

1.) The dude was a student with barely any time in the jet. That's why they call them accidents. Why don't you guys go flame the guys that spun in the Q400 in New York, apparently you're all above making mistakes (and passing judgement without fact).

2.) The jet was UP. The fuel code MSP they are referring to is a "Safe For Flight" code by the book.

Again, you guys don't know all the facts but love to jump to conclusions. Ableone, you're a troll.

 

[milky]

The mistakes that were made would have likely caused the jet to crash on approach to any airport. Depending on the runway used, it could have killed more or less people depending on where it came down. The accident was very likely avoidable. Many of the posts in this thread quoting 'military sources' are WAY off base compared to the facts of the situation.

Just pay attention to this: many Officers were fired and many personnel were severely disciplined, but the pilot has not been disciplined. That should tell you whom the JAG investigation has told the powers that be is responsible for the accident. Military flying and civilian flying are very different and many of you know. The pilot allowed himself to be put into a bad situation because of poor decisions of his and those who command him. He is the PIC and ultimately responsible. If the JAG investigation had found him to be criminally negligent, standing in front of the long green table would not matter as he would be facing disciplinary action like the other four officers that were fired.

As I and Sig have said in this thread many times, you guys run off at the mouth like you know something. Those that know, know you are showing your asses with little clue to reality.

 

[JungleJett]

....does anywhere hear music playing in the background?

 

[ableone]

1.) The dude was a student with barely any time in the jet. That's why they call them accidents. Why don't you guys go flame the guys that spun in the Q400 in New York, apparently you're all above making mistakes (and passing judgement without fact).

2.) The jet was UP. The fuel code MSP they are referring to is a "Safe For Flight" code by the book.

Again, you guys don't know all the facts but love to jump to conclusions. Ableone, you're a troll.

More name calling and smearing with no facts. You are completely predictable.

There are accidents that are the result of unknown unknowns. We accurately term these occurrences "accidents."

The Marine Corps, however, has termed this an accident that was "completely preventable" and that should not have occurred. This was their conclusion, not mine.

The second engine failed. It was somehow starved of fuel, either through operator error, mechanical failure or a combination of the two. The Marines' have said as much while being as vague as possible.

With respect to the Q400, the last word from investigators is that the airplane was properly configured and operated but it looks like ice aft of the boots caused the CL to shift forward resulting in a 30 degree pitch up and deep stall.

If, however, it looks like it was a crew error you can be sure that they will be eviscerated.

 

[Cobra17]

You would make a great check airman. That kid was set up to fail and did the best he could, given the circumstances. I would fly with him any day. You...not so much.