ExpressJet to fly for....American

[Jetlink]

Why would ACA have to do all of UA's flying? They weren't UAX till the 90's, *AFTER* Air Wisconsin had been bought by United

Ugg, ok....then Air Whisky do all of UA's flying...everywhere....(its a tie here since both had pretty good contracts)..

 

[Jetlink]

I won't argue with that.

Because you can't argue...it's ok. Name calling....such a great way to debate a topic....

 

[cxcap]

paid4training - where can I find a full size pic of your avatar?

 

[nimtz]

I would like to reaffirm the point that this thread is gay mainly due to people that I call coworkers.

 

[hbrow15]

I would like to reaffirm the point that this thread is gay!

dont ask dont tell

 

[USMCAirWinger]

I would like to reaffirm the point that this thread is gay!

Just like Jetlink. Sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Jetlink]

I would like to reaffirm the point that this thread is gay mainly due to people that I call coworkers.

I just really don't know what you mean by that...

gay ([FONT=verdana, sans-serif] P [/FONT]) Pronunciation Key (g

)
adj. gay·er, gay·est

1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4. Given to social pleasures.
5. Dissolute; licentious.

Personally, I think its gayest.

 

[007]

LMAO,

Are you guys really ready to throw punches because some As=hole says something? How many rumors are there right now about XJT?
Until I see a press release, I don't believe anything.

I GOTTA give it to you, Jetlink, you take the bait crown for the month.

Holy sh=t.

 

[LJDRVR]

I don't know about the rest of the information you posted, however proving runs are not required for given routes if the company already operates the type of airplane. The FAA does not care about where you fly an airplane if you have proven your ability to operate it.

They weren't FAA proving runs. Our management and safety pilots fly any new routes before us line toads touch it. Special departure procedures, DD, TC and dispatch numbers all have to be developed and tweaked.

To my fellow XJT's who are getting all stupid over something that hasn't been announced yet, good lord, grow up and show a little restraint and class folks.

To those of you that think we underbid anybody, guess again. We have the best product out there, and are capable of cities and loads that no other 50 seat operator can do. Your airlines came to us. Not being cocky, simply the facts.

To everybody: We fifty seat lift providers don't own any flying. Our customers do. You guys seem to forget that a lot.

Best of luck to everybody.

 

[PGTB]

****************************** Bag

 

[Popeye0537]

As long as we all know that Jetlink is the best of the best of the best. "I can't believe that I have to do this, but I gotta send someon to Top Gun........You were #2....Comair was #1, they just washed out, turned in thier wings."


Ha ha....

"Best product out there??" Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. What airlines want a 50 seat A/C that can fly for 4 hours? None that I know of, they want mainline Jets to do that work. The XR is VERY uncomfortable after 2 hours.

 

[LJDRVR]

I wonder what Flight Options and other part-135 Legacy operators (ie Swift Aviation) think about this potential development? Would Coex use its 145s or its 135s for the charter operation?

Certainly would add some route variety for the Coex pilots who get to do the flying... Get ready to shoot approaches at Aspen...

They would be 145's. Isn't swift primarily an aircraft management company where the Legacy is concerned? At any rate, I don't think we'd be cometing with their market, our jets are at best 4 hour airplanes. Much shorter legs than the Legacy.

Aspen again after a two year hiatus? Sweet! Gear Down and Flaps 22 by Red Table, Ice, coffee and newspapers!

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Upgrade times?? At Eagle?? LOLOLOLOLOL....ohhhh, yeah...thats a good one.

Maybe its that flow-back provision they have there at Eagle.....hmm....because their flow-through provision SUCKED big time.

Why didn't AMR buy XR's so they could actually fly the routes they want flown? They still could if they wanted too.

It is easy to slam those who's company "takes" flying when that pilot group isn't paid the highest. Its not so easy to do when a company who's pilot group does have the industry leading contract is awarded the flying.

Hey, I was kept out of "upgrading" for 3 years because we had a little thing called a flow-back provision that let CAL pilots flow on back down should there be a furlough, and there was. I wasn't happy about it, but its hard to argue with a deal that is contractual, I knew it existed when I got hired, and lived with it.

CAL flowed roughly 450 back to Express, maybe more I can't recall off-hand, but CAL has "flowed-through" nearly 1800 pilots from Express to CAL. I'd say that was a pretty good deal, at least for the 1800 or so and now those behind them all who "moved up" the ladder.

I will always believe that a strong small jet provider who has a close relationship to one "mothership" is certainly more beneficial to all rather than a piece-mealed system of redundant providers, but who am I but a lowly pilot

XJT is not taking away "routes and upgrades" that Eagle believes should have been theirs. Eagle voted their contract in. They have to live with it's realities. If you were hired at Eagle in the last 10 years and you didn't expect 12 years in as an FO, then please tell me how you passed the drug test because the main reason I never applied to Eagle, although they had the best base structure, is because even I knew and had heard from those there, that it certainly was not "the place to be."

Holy crap I love beer!! It makes this thread even more funny. Dude, did you actually read what I wrote. I don't care if you really do work for the bestest regional in whole wide wide world. I have many many friends at Eagle. BOTTOM LINE.... YOU WILL BE LOOKED UPON AS A PILOT GROUP THAT IS TAKING FLYING AWAY FROM THEM......Don't take it personally. If this "rumor" is true, get ready for the slammin bud. Now, back to the beer!!!!!!!

 

[Jetlink]

LMAO,

Are you guys really ready to throw punches because some As=hole says something? How many rumors are there right now about XJT?
Until I see a press release, I don't believe anything.

I GOTTA give it to you, Jetlink, you take the bait crown for the month.

Holy sh=t.

:beer: Well I try. Over 2000 views in something like 6 hours...NOT BAD!!!! I am trying to beat COEX MX caught in bucket thread, but people are just all about the blood and guts, and not about understanding that we are the BEST!! (not our mechanics obviously)

God I crack myself up sometimes.

 

[hbrow15]

As long as we all know that Jetlink is the best of the best of the best. "I can't believe that I have to do this, but I gotta send someon to Top Gun........You were #2....Comair was #1, they just washed out, turned in thier wings."


Ha ha....

"Best product out there??" Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. What airlines want a 50 seat A/C that can fly for 4 hours? None that I know of, they want 70 seaters to do that work. The XR is VERY uncomfortable after 2 hours.

now that was some Funny Sh_t right there

 

[LJDRVR]

"Best product out there??" Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. What airlines want a 50 seat A/C that can fly for 4 hours? None that I know of, they want 70 seaters to do that work. The XR is VERY uncomfortable after 2 hours.

The numbers speak for themselves. Sorry I'm proud of my airline Popeye, but somebodies got to supply you with comedy material.

 

[Jetlink]

As long as we all know that Jetlink is the best of the best of the best. "I can't believe that I have to do this, but I gotta send someon to Top Gun........You were #2....Comair was #1, they just washed out, turned in thier wings."


Ha ha....

"Best product out there??" Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. What airlines want a 50 seat A/C that can fly for 4 hours? None that I know of, they want 70 seaters to do that work. The XR is VERY uncomfortable after 2 hours.

Because the CRJ700 is comfortable? Or the 900?? None of the damn things are comfortable and the airlines don't really worry about what people think about 50, 70 or 90 seats for 4 hours so long as they keep buying tickets on the damn things.

The XR, the 145, the CRJ series...all of them are uncomforable as soon as I sit down...thank God I get to sit up front. I dread dead-heading on the damn things.

 

[On Your Six]

I thought the DoJet was pretty comfortable. Too bad it is slow and can't fly very far... Seriously, I find the XR to be more comfortable than any CRJ (those low windows hurt my neck...).

 

[Jetlink]

I suppose there is an automatic change from my "dammns" to "dangs" by the software on this "dang" board....it makes me sound like I fly for Eagle or something....dang it.

 

[Popeye0537]

Because the CRJ700 is comfortable? Or the 900?? None of the dang things are comfortable and the airlines don't really worry about what people think about 50, 70 or 90 seats for 4 hours so long as they keep buying tickets on the dang things.

The XR, the 145, the CRJ series...all of them are uncomforable as soon as I sit down...thank God I get to sit up front. I dread dead-heading on the dang things.

Hell no, the CRJ line is CRAP! I just rode a ASA 70 seater for 2 hr 30 min.... I agree with you 100% but put your 50 seat up against our 170's and you have a lose/lose situation. I know your gonna say its not fair to compare the XR to the 170, but its also unfair to compare the 145 LR to the XR. Give the LR a belly tank and the range increases. You still beat it in payload but not in comfort.


On a side note, have you ever tried to Pi$$ is the rear lav of the CRJ700? Who the hell designed that marvel...I had to stand back and aim for the bowl because of the slope of the cabin!

 

[Jetlink]

Hell no, the CRJ line is CRAP! I just rode a ASA 70 seater for 2 hr 30 min.... I agree with you 100% but put your 50 seat up against our 170's and you have a lose/lose situation. I know your gonna say its not fair to compare the XR to the 170, but its also unfair to compare the 145 LR to the XR. Give the LR a belly tank and the range increases.

Ok I'm lost...are you saying that someone would rather be on a 70 seat CRJ than a 50 seat XR?

Why? 2 restrooms on the 70? The 70 is just a 50 (in cabin size) stretched out even more. To the traveler, its a small jet all around, 50 or 70 seats. To me, its just hell on earth no matter how long the trip.

 

[Popeye0537]

Ok I'm lost...are you saying that someone would rather be on a 70 seat CRJ than a 50 seat XR?

Why? 2 restrooms on the 70? The 70 is just a 50 (in cabin size) stretched out even more. To the traveler, its a small jet all around, 50 or 70 seats. To me, its just hell on earth no matter how long the trip.

No what I'm sayin is that people would rather fly the E170 anyday over the CRJ700/900 E-145XR

That is where this industry is moving to, the 69 XR's your keeping are going to have a hard time finding a home at any other airline because 50 seats are a thing of the past.

 

[On Your Six]

I agree that the E170/190 is by far the most comfortable jet out there - even more so than mainline economy seats. That being said, COEX doesn't operate them - so, no need for debate here because CHQ/Shuttle won't have the opportunity to operate them for AA if this rumor proves to be true.

Let's try not to get into one of those "my airplane is bigger than your airplane" debates... Instead, let's be happy that low-seniority COEX pilots might still have jobs in a few months...

 

[Superpilot92]

No what I'm sayin is that people would rather fly the E170 anyday over the CRJ700/900 E-145XR

That is where this industry is moving to, the 69 XR's your keeping are going to have a hard time finding a home at any other airline because 50 seats are a thing of the past.

You wanna bet? You are just spouting BS out just like everyone else. None of us know whats going to happen. Armchair CEO's thats all we are. Until i see facts than everything is just rumors.

We will see but you will see these planes flying somewhere, do you really think we would have come out like 5 months earlier than we had to and say we are keeping the planes and we Hope we can fly them somewhere. The flying for the planes probably has already been lined up. our mgmt isnt stupid they wouldnt have decided to keep the planes with the HOPES of making money with them. Period

 

[Flyby1206]

Did I mention that we are the best? The BEST! I love coming to these boards and people taking it SO seriously. Oh, we're the highest paid too.

If thats not cocky enough for you......[/quote]

Dude, you are the highest paid Regional Pilots.... thats like being the smartest kid on the short bus.

 

[buxflyr]

You wanna bet? You are just spouting BS out just like everyone else. None of us know whats going to happen. Armchair CEO's thats all we are. Until i see facts than everything is just rumors.

We will see but you will see these planes flying somewhere, do you really think we would have come out like 5 months earlier than we had to and say we are keeping the planes and we Hope we can fly them somewhere. The flying for the planes probably has already been lined up. our mgmt isnt stupid they wouldnt have decided to keep the planes with the HOPES of making money with them. Period

Yea... I'll bet on it. I wont bet on "hopes". Give it another 3-4 yrs. 70 seats will be close to the max on most scopes, and you can bet regionals will fly the scope to the max. Airlines are shaped by more than just pilots. Popularity formed by what media says, what pax say, and what brings in the money will shape the plane you fly.

 

[Jetlink]

Did I mention that we are the best? The BEST! I love coming to these boards and people taking it SO seriously. Oh, we're the highest paid too.

If thats not cocky enough for you......

Dude, you are the highest paid Regional Pilots.... thats like being the smartest kid on the short bus.[/quote]

Hmm, I don't know if its quite like that...maybe its like being the highest paid short bus driver....when we all know that being the long bus driver is where its at! Even with Delta wages!!!

I know I know...its so minor league. Thats why I don't give a shiit!

Ok the truth is, this whole thread is flame bait. XJT is just spiteful towards CAL, we are parking the 69 in the desert rather than relinquish to CHQ, and we are going to pay everyone that would have been furloughed full pay to sit at home, and we are going to hire through the end of the year, "just to show em we can!" We have no home for the planes, we came out early and let CAL know we are keeping them as a school yard disagreement between Larry and Jim.

 

[cybourg10]

Its funny how a rumor can cause get so much reaction in so little time, kind of like throwing a banana into a room full of starving monkeys. But I guess that is kind of what regional pilots are...starving monkeys. I hope AMR announces tomorrow that Eagle will be receiving 59 E170s to fly these routes....just for the sake of the reaction on here. I don't believe for a second that an XJT plane will have blue and red stripes until I see it.

 

[arthompson]

This is the most intellegent post I've seen in this thread



Ok the truth is, this whole thread is flame bait. XJT is just spiteful towards CAL, we are parking the 69 in the desert rather than relinquish to CHQ, and we are going to pay everyone that would have been furloughed full pay to sit at home, and we are going to hire through the end of the year, "just to show em we can!" We have no home for the planes, we came out early and let CAL know we are keeping them as a school yard disagreement between Larry and Jim.[/quote]

 

[Jetlink]

Its funny how a rumor can cause get so much reaction in so little time, kind of like throwing a banana into a room full of starving monkeys. But I guess that is kind of what regional pilots are...starving monkeys. I hope AMR announces tomorrow that Eagle will be receiving 59 E170s to fly these routes....just for the sake of the reaction on here. I don't believe for a second that an XJT plane will have blue and red stripes until I see it.

I hope they do too. I hope CAL announces tomorrow everything was a big ole joke and nothings changing. I hope that I become a millionaire...

Eagle is at its Scope limit so your little scenario is never going to happen. I won't believe an XJT plane in the red and white until I see that press release issued, oh I dunno, end of summer lets say.

And its not just regional pilots who are starving monkeys...its PILOTS in general.