ExpressJet JCBA is complete

[Freebrd]

Ok the MEC knows what's in the TA, it's Tue, so why is it taking so long to put out the highlights?

 

[rockit85]

There are no highlights when it's a concessionary contract.

 

[centralpilot]

Ok the MEC knows what's in the TA, it's Tue, so why is it taking so long to put out the highlights?

They won't put it out unless the MEC votes in favor of sending it to the pilots for ratification. They just started briefing yesterday. Would you prefer that they rush through that decision? I for one would like them to read the language very carefully before they vote. There can be a big difference between bullet point concepts and actual enforceable language.

 

[Freebrd]

Look, all along the MEC & NC keep each other briefed. The MEC KNOWS what is in there. I agree they need to read it over and check for enforceable language as you say. Maybe it's the ALPA attorney who is reading it over. If so, hope he/she doesn't give the MEC the same old ALPA crap, "this is the best you're going to get". Sure, we get to vote but most pilots don't read it for one reason or another, mostly laziness. We'll see, hopefully soon.

 

[SiuDude]

The MECs have decided to present the TA to the pilots . Roadshows begin in early December.

 

[Freebrd]

As Shelby (from that TV show) would say, "here we go"! :uzi:

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I happen to have video from the last MEC roadshow. It really did not sway many pilots in favor of voting yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piW6q2yKhfY

 

[Mickey Mouse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_and_pony_show

 

[Freebrd]

You got it Mickey! Exactly what is going to happen I'm afraid! :crying:

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I just hope the briefing didn't go along the lines of "We have to pass it to find out what's in it"

 

[Data]

I just hope the briefing didn't go along the lines of "We have to pass it to find out what's in it"

If that's the case, it'll pass easy.

 

[Skippy]

Whatevs. Whatever goes to the pilot group... And the mecs will send it to the pilot group. It will pass... Who r we kidding? The only thing a skywest pilot votes no on is a union.
Im thinking express will fall for the whipsaw...
I just wish, for once, the pilot group says, "i triple dog dare you."

 

[JustaNumber]

No vote conditions from another thread.

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual or scheduled, whichever is higher.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-Use of sick bank for PTO
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off in same month for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY (because ALPA sold us out when they amended it in the TPA)
-specific transparent formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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You forgot "--No involutary TDY." If there's a need to temporarily rebalance bases, put a bid out to the line pilots. Don't screw all the reserves with 5 day trips that just aren't called 5 day trips. For a while they were even TDYing multiple ATL guys to DTW and simultaneously TDYing DTW guys to ATL, just for scheduling's convenience.

The abuse of that one makes it a deal-breaker for me. But I'd give it a 0.0001% chance anyone on the negotiating committee even gave 2 seconds of thought to that one. Overall not optimistic.

 

[wms]

Whatevs. Whatever goes to the pilot group... And the mecs will send it to the pilot group. It will pass... Who r we kidding? The only thing a skywest pilot votes no on is a union.
Im thinking express will fall for the whipsaw...
I just wish, for once, the pilot group says, "i triple dog dare you."

I would bet if we vote yes on a concessionary contract the Skyw coat-tailers will get cuts as well. Then they will blame us.

 

[wms]

You forgot "--No involutary TDY." If there's a need to temporarily rebalance bases, put a bid out to the line pilots. Don't screw all the reserves with 5 day trips that just aren't called 5 day trips. For a while they were even TDYing multiple ATL guys to DTW and simultaneously TDYing DTW guys to ATL, just for scheduling's convenience.

The abuse of that one makes it a deal-breaker for me. But I'd give it a 0.0001% chance anyone on the negotiating committee even gave 2 seconds of thought to that one. Overall not optimistic.

That wasn't for Skd convenience, it was for harassment and incompetence. Added to my conditions. Thanks

 

[XPOO]

I would bet if we vote yes on a concessionary contract the Skyw coat-tailers will get cuts as well. Then they will blame us.

Actually, the SkyWest pilots will probably have theirs all done before yours even goes to a vote. So much for your coat-tail riding theory. If anyone is riding coat-tails, its the unprofitable company leaching off the one with it's sh!t together.

 

[Butterbean]

Actually, the SkyWest pilots will probably have theirs all done before yours even goes to a vote. So much for your coat-tail riding theory. If anyone is riding coat-tails, its the unprofitable company leaching off the one with it's sh!t together.

FYI (SAPA UPDATE)



Pay Negotiations
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]I hope many of you had the chance to listen in to the earnings call or read the press releases because SkyWest Inc. just announced a very profitable quarter. Despite current challenges in the industry, SkyWest continues to show that it is possible to pay pilots at or near the top of the industry and still be profitable. Finding new ways to remain profitable, and winning new contracts is still a primary focus for SkyWest Airlines and SkyWest Inc. leadership. SAPA maintains that the employees at SkyWest contribute greatly to the success of this airline and we will continue to push for pilot pay and work rules that will keep us at the top of the industry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]The negotiating committee and SkyWest leadership met on October 29[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]th [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]for a full day of talks and a few follow up conversations have taken place to discuss the remaining issues. At this point, the negotiating committee does not have a deal they can recommend to the SAPA board but we are working to that end. Our direction from the board and our expectation is to secure a short term agreement with a few small improvements for pilots. The company is simply unwilling to offer huge raises. We have spent a lot of time talking about the effects of the new rest rules, pilot attrition and training, and securing new or renewed flying contracts. A couple of the final holding points are; the pay structure for the E175 and the [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]SkyWest Airlines Pilot Association [/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]company wants to address an operational issue with cancelation reserve in relation to upcoming FAR 117 changes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]We have no timeline on when (or even if) this will be complete. Our negotiating process is such that the SAPA negotiating committee will first recommend a deal to the SAPA Board, then the Board will vote to send to the pilots for ratification. We will continue to work with the company until we have a deal that we are [/FONT][/FONT]confident [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]the pilots will support. [/FONT]
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[Freebrd]

Glad you can stop by XPO between checking eBay & Craigslist and occasionally generating that automatic dispatch release. Know what XPO? No one really gives a f€?k about SKYW pilots and their "agreement" (not a contract, a contract is enforceable). Why you continually appear on here bashing the XJT side of the house baffles me. Other than to get a rise, or lean over to the dispatcher next to you and say "hehe look what I just posted on FI". Or, perhaps you're management. There is a dispatcher forum on FI, but none for management weenies. "Looser"

 

[Freebrd]

At this point, the negotiating committee does not have a deal they can recommend to the SAPA board but we are working to that end.


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LMAO! Spoke too soon eh XPO? putz!

 

[Nevets]

Actually, the SkyWest pilots will probably have theirs all done before yours even goes to a vote. So much for your coat-tail riding theory. If anyone is riding coat-tails, its the unprofitable company leaching off the one with it's sh!t together.

The Skywest pilots have in writing that whatever ASA/XJT get in matching funds, healthcare, and scope, they get. That's the definition of riding coat tails. As for profits, that's management's job, not the pilots. Inc is the failure so far in that regard.

 

[centralpilot]

The Skywest pilots have in writing that whatever ASA/XJT get in matching funds, healthcare, and scope, they get. That's the definition of riding coat tails. As for profits, that's management's job, not the pilots. Inc is the failure so far in that regard.

Yep. The poor contracts rates are all concentrated at one of SkyWest, Inc's subsidiary airlines. Shocking.

 

[Nevets]

Yep. The poor contracts rates are all concentrated at one of SkyWest, Inc's subsidiary airlines. Shocking.

You are talking about the CPAs, right? Skywest Airlines are also required to be the 2nd lowest. Something doesn't add up.

 

[wrightbros]

You are talking about the CPAs, right? Skywest Airlines are also required to be the 2nd lowest. Something doesn't add up.

Damn right something doesn't add up! Funny how the MEC can listen to threats from management but they can't listen to a earnings report or read the agreements that we have with partners that even in the earning report say there are revenue increases! 6 of 9 need recalled now!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I and my fellow pilots are worth this and more. The company doesn't want to pay accordingly which is why so many are leaving for places that will.

PS. I fully expect Inc to Lorenzo our planes and flying to Skyw, and I expect Skyw pilots will be happy to take it.

Lesson #1- You get what you negotiate, worth has nothing to do with anything, look at NBA contracts, millions to play a game on TV.

Lesson #2- SKYW pilots for the most part don't want any more RJ flying than you do, remember we had BH long before you even knew who he was. Do what the lions share of us are doing, vote no, then vote with your feet. At this point even Air China is looking good, if they will DH me from the west coast, I am there.

 

[Nevets]

Damn right something doesn't add up! Funny how the MEC can listen to threats from management but they can't listen to a earnings report or read the agreements that we have with partners that even in the earning report say there are revenue increases! 6 of 9 need recalled now!

As for the revenue increases, I know that the UAL CPA has a yearly CPI adjustment up to a maximum of 3%. It probably a standard revenue adjustment for these CPAs.

Lesson #2- SKYW pilots for the most part don't want any more RJ flying than you do, remember we had BH long before you even knew who he was. Do what the lions share of us are doing, vote no, then vote with your feet. At this point even Air China is looking good, if they will DH me from the west coast, I am there.

Skywest pilots don't want anymore RJ flying? Will Skywest pilots vote with their feet when the aircraft are transferred? We will never be allowed to strike. If we vote no, this will be our strike since aircraft will be transferred.

 

[waterskier]

As for the revenue increases, I know that the UAL CPA has a yearly CPI adjustment up to a maximum of 3%. It probably a standard revenue adjustment for these CPAs.




Skywest pilots don't want anymore RJ flying? Will Skywest pilots vote with their feet when the aircraft are transferred? We will never be allowed to strike. If we vote no, this will be our strike since aircraft will be transferred.

Aircraft will be transferred no matter what, but guess we can count on you to vote yes... Have some pride man~

 

[Oakum_Boy]

7/10 of our -900's can be transferred if the TA is ratified. 10/10 will probably go if we shoot it down.

This TA is not worth anything but a "no" vote.

Unless you think three total -900s remaining in our fleet are worth a "yes".

 

[Nevets]

Aircraft will be transferred no matter what, but guess we can count on you to vote yes... Have some pride man~

I'm a no vote. That will be my "strike" vote. Aircraft will then be transferred to Skywest. If Skywest pilots don't want any more RJ flying, as PBR said, will they refuse to cross that line?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

7/10 of our -900's can be transferred if the TA is ratified. 10/10 will probably go if we shoot it down.

This TA is not worth anything but a "no" vote.

Unless you think three total -900s remaining in our fleet are worth a "yes".

I agree with a NO vote, but we have 28 -900's currently.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I agree with a NO vote, but we have 28 -900's currently.

Haha. Shows how much I know! Where did those come from?

Oh yeah, probably Comair.