ExpressJet JCBA is complete

[epic!]

so what are the details or is everyone just speculating

 

[Tarzan]

Pilot shortage at ExpressJet? There are early termination clauses in our CPA's. SkyWest will keep their classes going at full tilt or expand their ability. Then they begin terminating our CPA's early and renewing and or refleeting with larger aircraft over there. No TPA protection there. Basically, we are staffed for Jan 4. Unless there is absolutely huge attrition, no FO after midyear will upgrade if this begins to happen.

As far as new hires go, what do they look for? A quick upgrade, not a stale dying airline we will likely become. All the potential new hires will flock to SkyWest and here we will sit. You can keep pointing at the "shortage" or the new FAR's but neither present any leverage. Thump your chests all you like but once you're sore from it, read the contract and look around at the industry and make your decision. If we get the chance.

 

[SoberIrishman]

The longevity status of pilots at this airline is about to become very skewed, when we become a lot smaller. LXJT side will most likely lead the way. Senior LASA guys will try to ride it out.

 

[Freebrd]

And I want dayglo tennis balls on it.

I like the blinking Xmas lights treatment my self, like some of our f/a have on their bags

 

[Freebrd]

Hope I get my IPad by then, or at least a walker.

Get ya one of those electric wheelchairs, easy to get around the concourse especially because the pax will get outa the way or just mow 'em down

 

[Freebrd]

There's a reason why management is trying to get your contract and new negotiations done here as well right now.

Of course there is. Company wants to lock in cheap rates and shetty QOL issues before the so called pilot shortage, after which the peelits 'may' have the advantage. My money is on the Co, this will pass because too many of y'all are pussies.

 

[Freebrd]

so what are the details or is everyone just speculating

Oh we're mostly speculating but enough has leaked out (union won't buy Depends ya know) that we have an idea. Pretty much cost neutral for the ASA side, and concessions for the XJT side. Lousy 1% cost of living increases while evrything goes up, like gas and health care.

 

[wrightbros]

Oh we're mostly speculating but enough has leaked out (union won't buy Depends ya know) that we have an idea. Pretty much cost neutral for the ASA side, and concessions for the XJT side. Lousy 1% cost of living increases while evrything goes up, like gas and health care.

Social Security tax is going up 1.5% next year so I hear! Did anyone find a Sky West pay scale yet? Can you imagine if ALPO agreed to a contract with rates less than them?

 

[Freebrd]

SKYW pay is about $4-6 more than Asa plus they dont pay no union dues, then threes those perf bonuses that XPO dipstick is always bragging about, always more than Asa/XJT

 

[russtgol]

The company is saying if we don't agree they will transfer flying to SkyWest. Really? So how will SkyWest find enough pilots to take our routes? Even if this is a cost neutral contract, how does approving this benefit the company? The only way this TA will benefit the company is for this to be a pay cut overall. At a minimum, surely this is cost neutral. So why would you lose flying if overall nothing has changed? Smoke and mirrors. I don't buy it.

It's easy. You will apply to SkyWest, get hired and whalla your on first year fo pay. Instant cost savings...

 

[wms]

What is the point of crediting 75 hours if you're bidding Vacation Low? You can credit 65 and get paid 75.

Regardless, this option is G-O-N-E.

The thing that PBS was sold on, is outta here.

I'm gonna read the TA, but this is a show stopper for me. Sorry ALPs, try again you nincompoops. 200 sessions for this wad of joy.

The option is only gone if we vote yes. I bid 75 hours so I can do extra days in the department if I want without doing any for free.

 

[wms]

Why are you all so intent on deciding now? Read the damn thing first and then make your vote count!
When we know the details then and only then it will be our opportunity to democratically express a choice. This warmongering attitude of many of our brethren before the fact is senseless and a waste of time.
No pilot in their right senses should accept something which does not satisfy their aspirations of what is expected or desirable in this profession, however it is not fair to the rest of us to go into this with blinders on through to voting.
Once again, read the f#ng thing first.

Because I know what's coming won't meet my expectations regardless of rumors about the details.

 

[wms]

No vote conditions from another thread.

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual or scheduled, whichever is higher.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-Use of sick bank for PTO
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off in same month for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY (because ALPA sold us out when they amended it in the TPA)
-specific transparent formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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[waterskier]

No vote conditions from another thread.

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual or scheduled, whichever is higher.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-Use of sick bank for PTO
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off in same month for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY (because ALPA sold us out when they amended it in the TPA)
-specific transparent formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
__________________

So I guess you are a no vote...
If they gave us all of this, It would probably be to get us to sign, then they would have some backdoor way of shifting all the flying to the now low cost inhouse provider..... Skywest...
It is time to leave.

 

[wms]

I and my fellow pilots are worth this and more. The company doesn't want to pay accordingly which is why so many are leaving for places that will.

PS. I fully expect Inc to Lorenzo our planes and flying to Skyw, and I expect Skyw pilots will be happy to take it.

 

[79%N1]

While I'm with ya here...this is the reality;

No vote conditions from another thread.

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
Not happening. Giving up all duty rigs.

-trip/duty rig based on actual or scheduled, whichever is higher.
See above

-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
Not likely

-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
Who knows if they even addressed this

-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
Maybe they throw this in

-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
But how will they feel they control us children

-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
Probably done

-Use of sick bank for PTO
Never

-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
Probably have to because of LXJT current book

-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
Nope.
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations

-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
LOL (Not because I disagree. Because they will never go for that)

-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
LOL again

-no floating days off on reserve
Probably not

-single day off requires additional day off in same month for reserves
Should be something they could throw in

-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
Not seeing this

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY (because ALPA sold us out when they amended it in the TPA)
When Hell freezes

-specific transparent formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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Long story short, you and I will be sorely disappointed when we see this. It will be current book, some slight scheduling and reserve improvement of the LASA side and a few bucks tossed in.

 

[wrightbros]

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[wrightbros]

Not the best paste job but I expect we should get 2-3% more than these rates

 

[wms]

While I'm with ya here...this is the reality;



Long story short, you and I will be sorely disappointed when we see this. It will be current book, some slight scheduling and reserve improvement of the LASA side and a few bucks tossed in.

Didn't say they'll offer it, just that I'm voting no for anything less.

 

[NoApu]

Why are you all so intent on deciding now? Read the damn thing first and then make your vote count!
When we know the details then and only then it will be our opportunity to democratically express a choice. This warmongering attitude of many of our brethren before the fact is senseless and a waste of time.
No pilot in their right senses should accept something which does not satisfy their aspirations of what is expected or desirable in this profession, however it is not fair to the rest of us to go into this with blinders on through to voting.
Once again, read the f#ng thing first.

You don't need to read it or even see it first. Vote for it so that you can know what'ts in it!

In all seriousness; Good luck boys! Your coat tails are long and I will probably have to ride on em!

Cheers!