Expressjet announcement today

[Gr82Aviate]

Pilots are, and always will be, a cost unit.

Engineers and sales people can make the company money. Gate agents, flight attendents, and ticket agents can deliver customer service and directly impact the customer satisfaction and future purchases. They can help managers grow empires with headcount.

Pilots just cost money.

As pilots don't make money for the company, the only way for pilots to cost less is to reduce wages and reduce headcount.

Get real...If we don't move the metal, the company doesn't make any money. The transportation of the passengers from point A to point B is carried out by us, and if we don't carry out our end, there is no money period! You think engineers and sales people work for free, they're not a "cost unit"?


You don't think that pilots deliver customer service? Who is most responsible to help get the people where they're going, and getting them there on time and safely???

 

[Nevets]

I think you are beaing overly general with you're statement. I think that SkyWest can be much more cost effective in it's product but not just from a pilot cost front. Our compensation package is very competitive with XJT.

And sad to say but I would bet a beer that either your pay table or company is not going to be here next year.

Yeah, SKW can be more cost effective with their other employee groups as well. I was only speaking of pilots as that is all I know of when it comes to "cost competitive." After all, it was JA and BR who pointed these facts out to us.

As for your bet, I don't know if you are just trying to be cruel because of the previous truths I mentioned but I would guess that our pay scale may be lower by next year. Like I said, they are asking for concession that are its still three times less than what SKW management wanted from the XJT pilots just to become "cost competative."

 

[duck_killer]

Wheres our pal PCL_128?

 

[PCL_128]

Are you joking? Until recently labor was the most expensive aspect of an airline.

Yes, and pilot labor was a very small part of that. An ALPA study of a regional pilot group showed that raising pilot total compensation by 100% (that's double) would have only increased the CASM by less than one half of one cent.

You don't think pilot paycuts ever saved an airline? Ever heard of AMR? That's exactly what kept it from going CH 11.

Pilot paycuts didn't save AMR, or DAL, UAL, CAL, or anyone else. Other cost saving measures saved these companies. Pilot payroll is a tiny blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things.

 

[dojetdriver]

Yes, and pilot labor was a very small part of that. An ALPA study of a regional pilot group showed that raising pilot total compensation by 100% (that's double) would have only increased the CASM by less than one half of one cent.

At a major airline, that's the case. I can't remember the numbers my dad gave me from UAL when they were getting bent over. But something like 1 in 5 employees at UAL at the time was in a management positition company wide. But management accounts for over 50% of the payroll.

At a regional airline, that is not the case. The pilot group is the biggest employee group, as well as the highest paid employee group. Take any of the bigger regionals and run the numbers of pilots vs TOTAL employee count. I'm not sure I have too much faith in that ALPA study.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not sure I have too much faith in that ALPA study.

Keep in mind that even airline managements from many different airlines contract with ALPA E & FA for these sorts of studies, because no one has more experience and credibility than ALPA E & FA in this field. The study is reliable and accurate.

 

[duck_killer]

Keep in mind that even airline managements from many different airlines contract with ALPA E & FA for these sorts of studies, because no one has more experience and credibility than ALPA E & FA in this field. The study is reliable and accurate.

Oh there you are. So exactly how was holding the line at Gulfstream and Pinnacle?

 

[PCL_128]

Oh there you are. So exactly how was holding the line at Gulfstream and Pinnacle?

The pilots at GIA got an excellent contract for a 19-seat turboprop operator, and the pilots at PCL are holding strong on achieving a fair contract after continuing to fight for it for years. Any other questions?

 

[WalterSobchak]

The pilots at GIA got an excellent contract for a 19-seat turboprop operator, and the pilots at PCL are holding strong on achieving a fair contract after continuing to fight for it for years. Any other questions?

Hell...if I were paying for the job, I would expect a pretty kick arse contract, too.

 

[PCL_128]

Hell...if I were paying for the job, I would expect a pretty kick arse contract, too.

Lots of GIA pilots never gave GIA a dime for training, genius.

 

[viper548]

Lots of GIA pilots never gave GIA a dime for training, genius.

Are you one of them?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Are you one of them?

Dude,
He did not PFT, the check came from his mom! So there, he didn't PFT, his mom did!
PBR

 

[WalterSobchak]

Dude,
He did not PFT, the check came from his mom! So there, he didn't PFT, his mom did!
PBR

I hate admitting it...but I'm almost a fan of the new and improved PBR.

 

[XPOO]

PBR v2.0 now with more molecules

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I hate admitting it...but I'm almost a fan of the new and improved PBR.

I know we have had our differences, thats because we have different jobs. PCL, is different, he is the very essence that defines the problems that PROFESSIONAL pilots are experiencing. PCL thought nothing of stepping to the front of the line via PFT, took a job at one of the krappiest airlines in existence(next to messa), then hired onto valuejet, a company who's body count rivals Aeroflot, and also employs as many scabs as another well known major airline. Notice a trend? He is so wrong, he ain't never been right! If you wanna start up with me, just tell me how to run my career or airplane.
PBR