Express Jet hiring

[maddogdrvr6294]

11th Hour I feel your pain. I too applied on Monday and have yet to get a call. I don't think I will get one either. 4200TT, 3000ME, 2500 ME turbine, but 0 time in the last 6 months. Oh well....guess that's life...good luck to all that got the call!

 

[d.fitz]

FWIW...

for the people who are qualified and got to the page with the script but have not received a call....

Call the number on the application - you have nothing to lose and everthing to gain! Dont wait for them to call you!

Good luck!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

WHen I was trying to get back into flying, I had a hard time because of the time thing.

Eagle called me, but when they found out I wasn't flying, no interview. I had some connections at Skyway who reviewed my quals-no interview. I heard nothing from CoEx, I assume because I wasn't flying.

Comair said I was VERY highly qualified, and as soon as I had been flying for 6 months they said to call and I'd get an interview right away. I then found a job flying jumpers, but Comair said that didn't count.

Keep on plugging away, and it will work.

I eventually got in a pool, and then got a class date with another airline. Now I don't have to worry about recency if I am going to apply somewhere.

CLiff
DTW

 

[T-Gates]

Re: FWIW...

for the people who are qualified and got to the page with the script but have not received a call....

Call the number on the application - you have nothing to lose and everthing to gain! Dont wait for them to call you!

Good luck!

So if you get to the script, you are deemed qualified?

 

[pipejockey]

Comair said I was VERY highly qualified, and as soon as I had been flying for 6 months they said to call and I'd get an interview right away. I then found a job flying jumpers, but Comair said that didn't count.CLiff
DTW

Just when I thought I heard everything!! Flying jumpers doesnt count??? What did they say counted? And here Ive been spending money hand over fist to rent an Aztec to stay current and proficient and Ill end up being told it doesnt count.

Oh the insanity!!!!

 

[insignificance]

Flight time that counts?

So I suppose dragging rags and trying not to hit the jumpers while picking up and dropping doesn't count as real flight time either.

I applied Wednesday, have the mins and 300 hours in the last 6 months.....no call.

 

[boxjockey]

Captain X

Thanks for all of your info. That is definitely a big help. Any of you guys have a prediction on where the new pay will fall in regard to other regionals/nationals? Any plans for other equipment in the future, or sticking with only the jungle jets? Any more info you guys can pass along would surely be appreciated. Also if there is any interview gouge. I know they haven't interviewed for awhile, just wondering if the old stuff still applies. Thanks for all the help.

box

 

[Captain X]

with the new contract - the number I heard for a 3rd year FO are about 35k a year.... and about 85k for a 5th year captain...

Can anyone "in the know" second that...

Compensation negotiations are ongoing. Only those internal to the NC, MEC, and special ALPA committees have seen any of the pay proposals or counter proposals so far. Pay rates have not been released to the pilot group as they have not been agreed to between the company and the NC yet.

Let's just say that ALPA's opening compensation proposal was..............VERY AGGRESSIVE.

Of course it is a negotiation and by it's very nature where you end up depends (in part) on how willing people are to get it. It also depends on economics (real ones) to a large part.

Our pilot group is pretty unified so hopefully we'll mirror the fine image that our brothers and sisters at Comair did.

As you may know, ExpressJet is the sole source of small-jet feed for the 3 CAL mainland hubs thru 2007. Management is currently looking for opportunities to feed other carriers. Of course, with our labor costs in flux right now it makes it difficult for them to scure a deal. Our mechanics are, and our FAs will soon be, in contract negotiations.

Regarding larger equipment -- more than one company manager has made "off the cuff" comments about larger equipment but there is nothing official in the works as far as we know. The concensus of the pilots is that larger equipment is inevitable but only time will tell.

Hope that helps a little bit more.

 

[OldManPilot]

I hope those mins are not correct. I think they're to high. We all know that well trained pilots with much less time can do the job.

Being able to "do the job" is a small part of being a pilot. It's doing the job when everthing goes wrong that makes for a good airline pilot. Passengers depend and demand that the people flying them from point A to point B have not only the qualifications but also the experience to handle any situation that arises enroute. The Captains responsibility should not be to babysit a new low time F/O. I have seen it happen over and over again. Is that the new F/O's fault? No, not really, but the company has to set a limit, and 1500 is a descent minimum. Now I know many of you went to "Aviation" based college, and had some hiring program with a Regional Airline, but that does not necessarily make you ready to do the job. Many wash-out on the interview sim ride. But many do go on to be excellent aviators given enough time in the right seat with enough patient Captains in the left seat.

Just don't be in too big of hurry to get into an airline. What you don't know can kill you.

I personally think that less than 1500 hours has not given a pilot a chance to hone their skills to a point of being ready to fly 50+ passengers around at 500mph at 35000 ft.

But, "You don't know what you don't know."

Most pilots well trained or not, don't know there @ss from a hole in the ground till at least 1500 hrs. If you think otherwise, then you are simply not being truthful with yourself. After you get your certificates the real training begins. That is when you truly learn what flying is all about.

 

[BoilerUP]

OldManPilot,

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with what you say, but what about the European and Asian airlines that take people ab-initio and after 350-400hrs put them into the right seat of an A320 or A330? I don't see too many of those as smoking holes in the ground. And I wouldn't imagine the captains on those airplanes enjoy babysitting a moron any more than a US captain.

Experience certainly works in your favor, and I would agree that your REAL training begins after you get those certificates and start flying for hire. However, if I have 500hrs and pass the ground school and sim ride, then I am considered to be just as proficient as that 3000hr guy who has been hauling checks in a Baron for three years by both the training department and the FAA.

Quality of training is the key. At Purdue, we spend two semesters in the B727-100 sim and two semesters in the 727-200 simulator (with a new 738 sim on the way). We spend four semesters learning systems and procedures, and three semesters doing emergency procedures (V1 cuts, engine fires, failures of every major system, etc). Our sim instructors are all retired airline pilots or Air Force aircraft commanders.

I'll be the first to say some of the people in my class don't know up from down in the box, and that is due to lack of experience. However, I think its mildly unfair to discount one's flying ability simply by the sum in the ME or Total Time columns of their logbooks. I would love nothing more than get my Diploma on a Saturday and start Indoc the following Monday, but it isn't going to happen. If it does, I hope I'm given as fair a shot as anybody else.

Quality, not quantity, is what should be the determining factor. If you have 800 ME but 500 of that is sitting in the right seat of a Seneca logging multi PIC as an MEI but your buddy is really doing the flight in the left seat, how does that make you a better pilot?

 

[belchfire]

Well said boiler...

How many hours does the typical naval
aviator have when they go to qualify
on a carrier?

I don't know, but I bet it is hella less
than most regional mins!

 

[limodriver1]

someone says minimums too high!

Yeah right, I think minimums should be at least 2500 total with 500 +multi and they also should look quality of flying!

Like if someone has 1500 hours banner towing time, compared flight instructor time! Or Turbine SIC time compared multi-engine PIC. Compays like these hires too low time people!

Yes most of people can do the job, but thats not all what is there!

What about if something goes wrong. At least I dont want to fly even as an passenger on airplane where F/O has less than 1000 hours or at least no real PIC time!

Company's should be real and get rid of all bridge programs and other ways to get low time pilots!

Only way how this career is nice and stays nice if everyone have to pay their dues!

 

[chuychanga]

I used to agree that hiring someone with 800-900 hours was just fine... back when I had 800-900 hours.

I received a B.S. degree in Aviation. I was just at that point of starting to send out a few resumes with about 600 hours on Sept 11. Obviously nobody came calling, so I instructed more for the next year and a half. Prior to Sept 11, I hadn't really considered flying freight. I just planned on going straight from CFI to FO. Well, after two years of instructing, I got a job flying night frieght in piston singles and twins.

This job has really showed me that I had a lot to learn. Practicing V1 cuts in a sim is all fun and games when you can laugh about it after you botch one. Flying around partial panel in the snow by yourself in the middle of the night in the actual airplane is a whole lot different. Talking to your students about how to avoid thunderstorms is a whole lot different than when you actually have to fly through them because the freight has to get there.

I'm still a relatively inexperienced pilot at 2100 hours. By no means do I consider myself some salty aviator who's seen it all. Far from it, in fact. But I do realize now how green I was just a year ago. This freight job has allowed me to experience quite a few situations that I never would have at a flight school, whether as a student or CFI.

Now I agree that 1500 hours should be a bare minimum to work at an airline, perhaps even higher. It was only 5 or 6 years ago that a lot of regionals required 2500 total and 500 multi. I think that night freight flying should be everyone's stepping stone to a regional just like the regionals are to the majors.

I know it sounds as if I agree with the higher minimums only because I now meet them and they reduce my competition for a job, but that is not the case. I agree with them because now I know better. I'm much more aware how much I don't know yet. No amount of or quality of training can replace experience.

All that being said, I was on my honeymoon last week and so I didn't fill out the app until yesterday, Thu Dec 18. I have 2100 and 600. 200+ in the last six months. I got to all screens including gender and the de-icing PA. I have not received a call.

 

[Mr Proachpoint]

Just got a call back today after missing the first one on Tuesday. Had the same questions. I'm glad they followed up as I was starting to think that missed call I had on Tuesday might turn out to be the most important call I ever missed!!!

Got the same info as the others, that they will call again within 60 days to schedule a face to face interview.

My times are 3000TT, 1500 Multi, 500 turbine, 200+ last 6mths.
But they only know that I have 2000+ tt, 1000+ multi.

Good luck everybody.

 

[propilot]

Got the call this afternoon. Luckily I had the de-icing script in my car. Asked the same questions as everyone else and was told I would be contacted in 60-90 days...

Could someone post the current payscales? Thanks.

My times...2600TT/590Multi

 

[Vegaspilot99]

I got the call today after filling out the app Sunday night. They called right in the middle of my drive home from work...quite a surprise! They asked the hard landing question and the thunderstorms at your destination one. I stumbled a bit through them since I wasn't expecting the call at that time, but I think I answered ok. Thats all they asked...no read back of the statement I copied and have been carrying around. Don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing. He ended the call by taking my SSN and saying that if they had any more questions, a senior recruiter would contact me. ???? Any guesses on what that means??

I have 2750TT, 2460 ME, 2360 Turbine and 475 PIC turbine. 475 last 6 months. Hope they call back for an interview.

 

[pipejockey]

For all of yall that feel strongly about having at least 1500 total. I have over 500 multi and 300 turbine flying as SIC in an SA227 but do not have 1500 total. I can go out and split the cost of a Cessna 152 with someone, right seater logging PIC as safety pilot and left seater technicaly "under the hood" flying around the neighborhood for a few hundred hours. But does that make me any more competent than I am now?? No way!!

Its a fact that United had been hiring 300 hour pilots for a time. The best pilot should get the job, and the most important thing I feel is quality.

 

[starchkr]

Filled out the info on monday and just got off the phone with them.

Questions were a little different though.
1. Hard landing (same one)
2. You are scheduled for a 1hr 30 min flight to your destination and there are thunderstorms currently at your destination...what would i do? (this was worded different than the original thunderstorm question...much easier to answer this time) All they wanted to hear was that you would FIRST consult with airline dispatch. I am glad i thought of that first. Right after that i started yapping about departing and he stopped me and just reaffirmed i would talk with dispatch first.
3. How many times have i been late towork within the last 12 months? YOU BETTER KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT ONE!!!!!!!

then got the same upgrade of 2-3 years speach and if i was still interested. Then he asked for my SS# and said from now on this is what i will use instead of the reference #. Said they would call shortly with another interview time from a senior interviewer.

Oops, almost forgot, i had to read the script also after question 3.

My times are 3700tt, 3260 multi, and 560 turbine.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, I said that would would have current weather, check with all enroute reporting stations and have an alternate with weather above mins in case of not getting in at my destination. Never even thought of consulting dispatch...granted where I work dispatch just kinda tosses ya the weather and says go check it out...not much to consult. Oh well, hope I still hear something.

 

[coex]

Current pay rates (will change when our new contract is finished)
http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pay_rates.php?company=coex

I can't believe they are telling you upgrades in 2-3 years! Try 4-6 years