Evergreen Furlough

[Blackbeard]

So the bastards paid up. Everybody I talked to this morning received their direct deposit this morning.....3 days late.

Personally, since they decided to screw us for three days, I think we should return the favor and give them 3 days of late flights.

Of course, our pilot group doesn't have the courage.

 

[Zoneload]

You could call in sick at wake up..

 

[tubineotter]

the crew group @ EZ wont do ********************e, thank you sir may i have another.....

That why they have a 10 year old contract.

One of the major reasons i left.

 

[HA25]

Unity is critical to any union functioning properly... I don't know what's broken with Evergreen, but there has to be something to the fact that they're so low on the pay scale for the type of flying they do... not to mention no home base, and from what I have heard, marginal medical and 401K..

 

[Blackbeard]

It is because of the union we are so low on the pay and benefits right now.

the majority of us are ready to strike and shut this place down. IF they don't want to pay then they can go out of business. But literally for the last three years ALPA in DC has been telling us we can't strike, they won't support it because Evergreen is and has been in bad shape.

It is time for ALPA to go away and for the crewmembers to take control of the siuation.

 

[Capt. JD]

There is a job posting for B-747 First Officers on PlaneJobs.com!

 

[HA25]

It is because of the union we are so low on the pay and benefits right now.

the majority of us are ready to strike and shut this place down. IF they don't want to pay then they can go out of business. But literally for the last three years ALPA in DC has been telling us we can't strike, they won't support it because Evergreen is and has been in bad shape.

It is time for ALPA to go away and for the crewmembers to take control of the siuation.

you just might be right, if that is in fact what ALPA is telling you. How can they say it's in bad shape when the holding company and Smith are worth a billion or more dollars?

 

[Nevergreen]

you just might be right, if that is in fact what ALPA is telling you. How can they say it's in bad shape when the holding company and Smith are worth a billion or more dollars?

That is EXACTLY what our former MEC President and current President and former VP have been saying. ALPA National in DC won't allow us to take action against the company because ALPA believes the company is in bad shape, and can't afford to pay us more.

But anyone who knows EZ also knows that Del has been using the airline to build his waterpark, his Imax, his 2 musuems, his personal hanger for his personal G4, and of course the 75 million he wasted on the useless DOA firebomber.

I, too, would like to tell ALPA to shove it and return to our own in house union or give the teamsters a shot.

 

[propsarebest]

... Don't forget bankrolling the helicopter company, the many ag operations that lose money every year and all the other stuff.

 

[Zoneload]

A Billion dollars??? Anyone who has been here for a while knows a billion is a bit of a stretch. I think the 75 million for the tanker is not correct also. Anytime someone talks about the tanker the price goes up 5 million. All the stuff across the street in MMV might have been 75 million.

 

[Zoneload]

It is because of the union we are so low on the pay and benefits right now.

the majority of us are ready to strike and shut this place down. IF they don't want to pay then they can go out of business. But literally for the last three years ALPA in DC has been telling us we can't strike, they won't support it because Evergreen is and has been in bad shape.

It is time for ALPA to go away and for the crewmembers to take control of the siuation.

What about the rest of the non flight crew? I think you guys deserve a contract and a raise but if you hate it here then leave. Kalitta Southern Atlas are all better jobs just go.. You guys wanted ALPA..

 

[Nevergreen]

3 plus years ago Buzz Wright said it was $50 million. So I think $75 million is probably close. But it doesn't matter whether it is 20 mill or 50 mill or 75 million. It was still a colossal waste of money and a total failure!

Del cares more about building a third rate amusement park then he does running an airline.

 

[Zoneload]

You are correct.. about the running of the airline. Buzz is not the best place to get your info about the tanker or a lot of other things. You will have better luck in the 5 towns lobby. No money has been put into the tanker in two years.

 

[Nevergreen]

Okay, since I think I have an idea of who you are I will accept what you say as very informed.

As far as any of the flightcrew leaving......it is hard to start over at another airline with zero seniority, after investing 10-20 years at an airline.

It sucks for the non-flight crew when the crew have to strike, but you know that is the only way Delford will EVER give the crew a raise. Even then, he might choose to shut down the airline rather than give the crew a penny.

As far as wanting ALPA....for many of us, we did not want ALPA. It was nowhere near a unanimous vote. A fair amount of us wanted to keep TAG, and others wanted Teamsters. But B.F. and J.T. wanted ALPA so that is what we are currently stuck with.

 

[HA25]

... but you know that is the only way Delford will EVER give the crew a raise. Even then, he might choose to shut down the airline rather than give the crew a penny.

friend of mine that works there is telling me that the MEC is basically negotiating a concessionary contract..... more days on, no business class travel, and cuts in benefits.... all in return for a "couple" of bucks an hour... but the productivity and travel gains for management will be a windfall for company... what do you hear?