Emirates Open Day in the States

[typhoonpilot]

What is DEC and what is the chance for a US pilot to get hired? How many Yanks currently working? ANd TP are you an X-pat and if so how do you find living in Dubai?

Baja.

Filejw covered the DEC thing. There are currently 48 U.S. pilots at EK. EK are actively recruiting U.S. pilots and that number will go over 100 by the end of next year, if not sooner.

On Your Six says to look at PPrune, which all should do, but keep in mind that it is mostly non-Americans posting on there and their perspective is different. If a person does their homework and comes to EK with realistic expectations of flying for EK and living in Dubai then they are generally content. There are some legitimate complaints from the posters on Prune, the two biggest of which are already known factors for somebody making a decision to join today. They are: the hiring of DECs and the change to our pay rules over one year ago.

Anybody entertaining the idea of becoming an expat needs to realize that you have no union protections whatsoever and are completely on your own when you go fly overseas. Companies can and do change conditions as it suits them, with no recourse for you.

EK shouldn't be a first choice of airlines to go to work for, especially for somebody who is young and has many years of flying ahead of them. It is, however, an alternative that is worth exploring. It works best for pilots furloughed from majors or who worked for airlines that have ceased to exist.


Typhoonpilot

P.S. EK recruitment will be at the AeroService job fair in Miami on April 22nd.

 

[bman]

Ukrainian Snapper!!!!

There are certainly a lot of very rich people in Dubai. The opportunity to make money in Dubai is like no other place in the world right now. It is a boomtown and if a person has the right idea and the right talents they can very easily become a multi-millionaire. Too bad I've never been entreprenurial .

Honestly, I don't travel in the tourist or visitor circles very much. My one experience of going to a 5 star resort for a weekend getaway was very nice and it appeared all guests were treated the same. There is a much higher level of service in certain areas, even for us lowely middle class workers.

The neighborhood I live in is very middle class. As are the places we shop and eat. Those tend to be the circles I travel in. Occasionally we'll go on excursions into Satwa, Karama, and Bur Dubai where we are seen as the ultra wealthy by comparison. Those neighborhoods are much lower income level than ours. I get my haircut in Satwa from a Pakistani barber. He does a very nice job and it only costs $5.40. I can then go around the corner and buy 3 chicken shawarmas for about $3.00, more than enough for a meal.


Pookie:

I hear you. That can be very annoying. You can either let it get to you or just realize that there are people here with no manners whatsoever. For what it's worth, I say something when it happens as well. More accurately I'll try to anticipate it happening and give a nasty look to the offender so keep them in place. On more than one occasion I've had the clerk tell the guy I was there first and to wait your turn.


What's up with you guys and the Russian/eastern European girls ? I've never seen any of them around Dubai .


Typhoonpilot

Hey guy,
I thought by your handle you were a CX HKG guy?! Anyhow I think dubai is kinda like Vegas for Europeans. Its all about the bling, but most of what you see is done on credit.

As for the racism line well can't say that I've really experienced that much. Being brown working to my advantage for once let's call it active camo!!!

For anyone considering Dubai and Emirates (I don't work for them or live there although we fly their colors and it feels like I never leave) Here's my observations:
Dubai is what you make it. If you like the beach, bars, night clubs and a generally fast high end lifestyle you can have all of it. Where else are you gonna go and actually have the smallest thing you fly being an A330. If you are single man go live fast play hard, but realize you'll be wearing platinum handcuffs.

PS
Watchout for the Ukrainian Snapper! Its a meaty white fish that can be addictive to some.

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

Where else are you gonna go and actually have the smallest thing you fly being an A330.

Um...Cathay Pacific? (For three times the salary)

Watchout for the Ukrainian Snapper! Its a meaty white fish that can be addictive to some.

Amen to that Bro!

 

[330 man]

81Horse says,

"Really? Can you prove me wrong? And why should the company be free from criticism? If I am wrong, I'd be very pleased to know it."

I can prove you wrong. We have 5 pilots of the Jewish faith that I know of, (1 from South Africa, 1 from Austrailia and 3 from eastern Europe) and we have one female cadet in training. We did have another famale that was in the works a few years ago but she went to another job in the gulf.

Emirates does not have any problems with jews. It is a political problem with Isreal. If you are jewish you have just as good a chance as anyone else of getting hired. If you are from Isreal, forget it! Hopefully the female cadet will be the first of many.

Regards,

330 Man

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

I really would love to have the address of a synagogue in DXB so that I can worship when I am next in town on Shabbat. Can you help?

 

[docholiday]

It's been a big shift for them to go for RJ drivers now that the 737/A320 pool of pilots has dried up.



Bro..please. Whether you fly an RJ or a guppy, we all know it's the same job. A jet is a jet period.

 

[81Horse]

330 man, thank you for the information. Though I was being a smartass (as usual) in my earlier posts, I am pleased to know things are not as I assumed.

 

[typhoonpilot]

It's been a big shift for them to go for RJ drivers now that the 737/A320 pool of pilots has dried up.



Bro..please. Whether you fly an RJ or a guppy, we all know it's the same job. A jet is a jet period.

Doc:

You need to read a few more of my posts before you start in on this subject like a fool. The point that I was making with the above statement is that EK only hired pilots who had flown something in the 737 or Airbus class up until very recently. For two years I tried to help a friend who was an RJ check airman get an interview. We even walked into the recruiting managers office one day for a sit down chat. It was not possible because there was a policy not to hire people who had only flown RJ or smaller aircraft. Within a few months of him getting typed on the A320 he had an interview and is now here as an A330 F.O.

I actively talked to people in recruiting to get them to look at RJ drivers and I have been saying for a few years that the time would come that the policy would change. So my comment that you have taken offense at indicates the culmination of that effort, not a slight on RJ drivers.


Typhoonpilot

 

[fareview]

I really would love to have the address of a synagogue in DXB so that I can worship when I am next in town on Shabbat. Can you help?

I really would love to have the address of a synagogue in DXB so that I can worship when I am next in town on Shabbat. Can you help?

Cpl Panties.

Nothing like a man working for a Chinese Govt company casting aspersions on the rights of a certain religious sect in another country – sad.

I really would love to have the address of some opposition democracy parties in Beijing so that I can join when I am next in town on ‘Voters Rights Day’. Can you help?

It is clear by your loaded questions you are an EK sceptic, yet you live in a country run by communists. And before you try to differentiate HK from the mainland – trust me when the Peoples Red Army entered the Fragrant Harbour before the handover (pathetic) – the British empire was confirmed dead.

The difference between China and the UAE is this –

A couple of weeks ago the workers on the Burj Tower Dubai (the worlds tallest tower) revolted against their conditions – the result was the granting by the Maktoum family the creation of unions in the UAE.

Perhaps they should have taken Deng’s approach and sent in the tanks.

Before you cast stones little fellow read the universally acclaimed ‘MAO’ by Chung and Halliday.

C.U. move on before you get manhandled.

fareview

 

[fareview]

Um...Cathay Pacific? (For three times the salary)



Amen to that Bro!

3 x the salary.

Post the numbers so we can all verify.

fv

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

Fareview:

1. I suggest you do your homework - why the onus should be on me to verify is beyond me.
2. Don't believe all you are taught at your high school. Freedom of speech, religion and association are all entrenched in the Basic Law* in HKG.
3. Does your daddy know you're playing on his computer?

C.U. move on before you get manhandled.

I tremble before you.

I just couldn't resist this:

The HKSAR shall protect the right of private ownership of property in accordance with law. (BL Article 6)

All Hong Kong residents shall be equal before the law. Permanent residents of the HKSAR shall have the right to vote and the right to stand for election in accordance with law. (BL Articles 25-26)

The freedom of the person of Hong Kong residents shall be inviolable. No Hong Kong resident shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful arrest, detention or imprisonment. Arbitrary or unlawful search of the body of any resident or deprivation or restriction of the freedom of the person shall be prohibited. Torture of any resident or arbitrary or unlawful deprivation of the life of any resident shall be prohibited. (BL Article 28)

Hong Kong residents shall have, among other things, freedom of speech, of the press and of publication; freedom of association, of assembly, of procession, of demonstration, of communication, of movement, of conscience, of religious belief, and of marriage; and the right and freedom to form and join trade unions, and to strike. (BL Articles 27-38)

The provisions of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and international labour conventions as applied to Hong Kong shall remain in force and shall be implemented through the laws of the HKSAR. (BL Article 39)

http://www.info.gov.hk/basic_law/fulltext/

* Look it up. Sorry "dude", Google it.

 

[fareview]

C.U.

You made the mathematical claim (x 3) so back it up or move on.

Ah, I see so you live in a democracy.

As to freedom to strike, then why did'nt you when the 49ers were left hanging - taking upgrades and pay raises were we?

fv

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

Is that the best you can do, little boy?

Why should I "back it up or move on "? Use the search function on PPRuNe, junior, and do your own research. I am at the receiving end of a Cathay paycheck (have been for many years) - and know what I earn. I also have many friends at EK and know what they earn too.

Re your thoughless and callous remark on the 49'ers: Shame on you. I am a proud and paid-up member of the AOA. Show me another union - anywhere - that would have paid salaries to it's unfairly terminated members for almost 4 years by making a 5% donation off their members' gross earnings. Not tax deductable, by the way.

As you seem so interested in the welfare of the 49'ers, I can easily provide the bank account details to you where you can make a donation to their welfare. PM me and I will be happy to supply it. You may want to also contact the Cathay Pilots Union by visiting their website here: http://www.cathaypilotsunion.org/ - click on the "donate" button.

Please post your receipt so we can all see.

As for a "pay raise"...(peals of hysterical laughter)...we're working on it!

Shouldn't you be at school already?

 

[fareview]

Is that the best you can do, little boy?

Why should I "back it up or move on "? Use the search function on PPRuNe, junior, and do your own research. I am at the receiving end of a Cathay paycheck (have been for many years) - and know what I earn. I also have many friends at EK and know what they earn too.

Re your thoughless and callous remark on the 49'ers: Shame on you. I am a proud and paid-up member of the AOA. Show me another union - anywhere - that would have paid salaries to it's unfairly terminated members for almost 4 years by making a 5% donation off their members' gross earnings. Not tax deductable, by the way.

As you seem so interested in the welfare of the 49'ers, I can easily provide the bank account details to you where you can make a donation to their welfare. PM me and I will be happy to supply it. You may want to also contact the Cathay Pilots Union by visiting their website here: http://www.cathaypilotsunion.org/ - click on the "donate" button.

Please post your receipt so we can all see.

As for a "pay raise"...(peals of hysterical laughter)...we're working on it!

Shouldn't you be at school already?

You continue to dodge the question

Once again you avoid backing up a mathematical claim by comparing your paycheck to friends at EK.

We are referencing an entry level job at EK where you claimed CX pays 3 times more to fly twin heavies.

YOU specifically used the multiple 3 not me. So one would presume you calculated a number and figured out that CX pays three times more. So lets have it.

Enough of the hyperbole on the 49ers - 'shame on you'

The AOA showed their true colors as did you initially on pprune attempting to discourage the new joiners .

The 49ers is a debate - open to opinion

3 x the salary is fact open to diclosure - so lets have it or shut up.

fv

 

[fareview]

CU

One more thing that undermines your pay claim credibility.

You are an 'A' scaler are'nt you?

Nothing loke comparing a no longer available package to your buddies at EK.

This is too easy.

fv