Embry Riddle students

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Princedietrich,

Bear in mind that the TCDS limitation of 16,663 hours is for the wing. I don't know anything about the airplane you flew, of course, but it may have had an exemption or might have had a different wing. I've flown a number of aircraft over the years which have had different wings, some as many as three or more due to their high times. Replacing a wing, spar or components isn't uncommon in life extention. If an aircraft is properly maintained, the life can be virtually limitless.

 

[puck_11]

I normally don't get into these pissing matches but...

I've often thought about teaching at Riddle, and teaching them the way I learned, pilotage & VORs, no GPS allowed. I would probably get fired very quickly.

No you wouldn't get fired, you'd be doing them a favor. No need to jump on the bandwagon and bash Riddle if you don't know what you are talking about.

His education was a waste because the military taught from basic to his wings as though he knew almost nothing anyway. Plus he's stuck in that job for at least 12 years. I admire his interest in serving our country but ERAU is not a perquisite for military service. Lots of people get through military flight training and have no prior training at all, except for the pertaining that the military provides.

Careful what you say about being "stuck" in a job...we are well aware of our commitment and are proud to be there. A lot of people in military flight training now are coming in with prior flight time. While most everyone can get through military training without any prior flight time, a lot of the ones who get what they want have prior time. Maybe he was like me and was denied medically initially, and decided to go the civilian route, only to have a change in policy. Maybe like a lot of aviation grads, they realize that flying for the regionals isn't all that great and want to have fun flying and join the military. Or maybe having that flying experience helped him get his flight spot, I wouldn't consider that a waste.

Did you ever wonder.....

If (Some at Riddle) say they are the Harvard of Aviation...

At Harvard, do they say they are the Riddle of Medicine, Law, Science, Education, etc..........?

JAFI

Its funny, I am a UND alum, and UND claims the same thing, that they are the Harvard of Aviation...well whatever

Ok. I'm not trying to start a sh*t storm or anything, but what do they tell Embry Riddle guys? Do they really tell them that they are better pilots or that they will get more respect when they tell people that they went to Riddle?

he keeps talking about how he is going to get hired at the first airline he wants because Embry Riddle is known "industry wide" to be the best there is.

Big flight schools tell all of their students this, its nothing new. In times of hard hiring, it does help to go to a school like this to get the reduced hiring minimums. But it sounds like this kid is a pretty arrogant prick. If you don't want to work with him, then don't. But you could also help him pull his head out of his ass and learn how to fly steam gauges and use sectionals. A student is only going to be as good as his instructor is.

 

[Princedietrich]

Princedietrich,

Bear in mind that the TCDS limitation of 16,663 hours is for the wing. I don't know anything about the airplane you flew, of course, but it may have had an exemption or might have had a different wing. I've flown a number of aircraft over the years which have had different wings, some as many as three or more due to their high times. Replacing a wing, spar or components isn't uncommon in life extention. If an aircraft is properly maintained, the life can be virtually limitless.

Well, all I can say is that this particular PA44 was NOT properly maintained. One of the instructors there even told me that the plane had been based at one of the Florida DCA facilities and had been "sent up north to die." Needless to say, I never rented there again.

 

[WestHouston]

Hi-sky is right in the same boat. Arrogant and sounds very young...needs to do some growing up.

The same boat as me? I thought your comment was a mistake. I think you must be mistaken.

 

[mvedepo]

I have flown with many Riddle grads over the years. The good ones that I have flown with I found out they were from Riddle just through casual conversation. The bad ones always made sure I knew they were they got there "wings."
As for pilotage, they usually were pretty good procedurally but the fresh grads were generally weak in hard IFR. This isn't their fault really considering where they fly. However, there is a HUGE difference shooting an approach to "foggle" minimums and shooting an approach to 100 HAT (with the approach lights in sight of course) and carrying a ton of ice.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

I've found most people who attended Embry Riddle to be friendly. Heck, one of the nicest chief pilots at my airline was from there. But then again I've not dealt with anyone that's graduated from there in the last 5 years.

More importantly, even if you had the funds and to change the tone of my post and offer a cautionary, WHY WOULD ANYONE GO THERE???? Prior to 9/11 completely understand. Wages way up, opportunities way up, paying off a 75 grand loan was completely plausible. But post 9/11 and especially the rough current economic situation, anyone going to flight training planning on 100+ or even 50 grand loan, please reconsider. These high priced shortcuts to fly a modern GA airplane at these schools is a poor financial move. First year average regional airline wage is going to net you about $1600 a month with per diem. A 100 grand loan is going to require about $1600 a month to pay off for many, many years. Food, gas, auto, auto insurance, cellphone, rent, utilities, beer, etc. That all cost money also - at least $1600 a month for all those expenses. It will take you at least 3 years at present market conditions in the airline industry to just break even making those loan payments plus the cost of living expenses. And even at the highest level of bankruptcy declaration, school loans can never be forgiven.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

In addition, that's not even taking into the consideration the value of an Embry Riddle education. From what I've heard, non-aviation courses are lacking in quality at the school. I went to a public university with aviation management being a small major among a variety covering many different careers and attended the same business classes as general business majors and English classes with English majors and so on. Point is there is an advantage to an education from a wide variety non-aviation specific university should one in the future change careers.

 

[bentpilot]

It's Embry-Riddle not Embry Riddle.
Flame on.

 

[highsky]

Undaunted Flyer is the classic Tool. This guy enjoyed the benefit of Age 60, having all the old guys retire at Age 60, benefitting from accelerated advancement in his career because of such, then when he turned 58, he cried out for age discrimination. Tool. In the First Degree.

This guy is a troll, still hanging out on the blogs of guys 20 years his junior, complaining that we aren't "experienced [hence the name {Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act}] enough to take his place". This asswh1pe, and his very effective collaborative lobbying effort, effectively made it so the rest of us "inexperienced" pilots must now work an extra FIVE years in order to make LESS money than we would have made had the rule remained Age 60 (just do the math with compound interest).

 

[avbug]

Highsky is an 11,000 hour pilot who uses 14 year old vocabulary like "tool?" Rather suspect.

Undauntedflyer has been a very helpful contributor to the forums (not just here), often seeking out opportunities to open discussion among rational adults. Perhaps that's why you're not familiar with his work.

When you reach age 60 and have some valid experinece to contribute, by all means, do. Presently...clearly you don't.

I've recently flown with several older pilots who have returned to the left seat after a hiatus in the FE seat...and whom I whole heartedly support. I have always maintained that the loss of this great experinece, and the forced retirement at age 60, is a tragedy, and I am more than happy to see them have an extra five years on the line.

You'll get your five years...if you last that long. Not likely with your juvinile attitude.

"asswh1pe?" How adult. How on par with your previous posts, to date.

 

[highsky]

Undauntedflyer has been a very helpful contributor to the forums (not just here), often seeking out opportunities to open discussion among rational adults. Perhaps that's why you're not familiar with his work.

I've recently flown with several older pilots who have returned to the left seat after a hiatus in the FE seat...and whom I whole heartedly support. I have always maintained that the loss of this great experinece, and the forced retirement at age 60, is a tragedy, and I am more than happy to see them have an extra five years on the line.

Wow.

You're either 59, or a complete fool. I suspect the latter.

Pathetic.

And get some self-respect and stop being such a fawning buttboy for UF. The guy is the biggest flake on these boards.

 

[hooker]

Any "pilot factory" pilot I have flown with was normally scary! And the majority of military pilots were too. Both are turned loose with 250TT and no skills, just knowledge from a book!

 

[avbug]

You're either 59, or a complete fool. I suspect the latter.

You suspect, do you? One should in the slightest be concerned by an individual such as yourself who proclaims himself "ass master?"

"Buttboy?" What would you say if you weren't a college graduate?

 

[legendskid_44]

Ok. I'm not trying to start a sh*t storm or anything, but what do they tell Embry Riddle guys? Do they really tell them that they are better pilots or that they will get more respect when they tell people that they went to Riddle?

I'm a flight instructor at a lowly local airport. We fly old airplanes. With torn seats. And funky 70's color schemes. With no GPS. A kid comes in and starts his CFI training at my school that did all his training at Riddle. First off, he's scared of steam gauges. He doesn't know how to navigate with a chart without a GPS. To make matters worse, he keeps talking about how he is going to get hired at the first airline he wants because Embry Riddle is known "industry wide" to be the best there is.

He acts like he feels sorry for the instructors there because we don't have the same training and "advantages" that he has, you know, being from Riddle and all.

I think he means well, but I have a hard time taking sympathy from a guy that needs a G1000 to feel safe around class Bravo airspace. Is this guy an anomaly or do they brainwash these guys into thinking they are God's gift to aviation?

Man i hate most of the kids that go to this f-ing school. They think they know it all when there at the student pilot stage. so glad i learn on steam gauges and not at riddle. GOD I HATE THIS PLACE CAN'T WAIT TO GRADUATE (at least the professors are cool)

 

[kf4amu]

Man i hate most of the kids that go to this f-ing school. They think they know it all when there at the student pilot stage. so glad i learn on steam gauges and not at riddle. GOD I HATE THIS PLACE CAN'T WAIT TO GRADUATE (at least the professors are cool)

Wow you and I must be twins. Its a weird dichotomy when you absolutely abhor the school you attend, but refuse to go anywhere else that will still suffice.

I'm proud to have attended ERAU but hate most of the toolboxes that went/go there.

 

[BrownStreak]

Come on, guys. What do you care about what the kid thinks? If he's in your cockpit and you're training him, then cover the material that needs to be covered, use your best judgement, and move on.

I wish someone would cover some basics with them. By the way, that attitude that a good 80% of these riddle rats have (sorry guys, ya do) turns into a complete pain in my @ss when we're flying. I don't really care how you did it at riddle, or that your daddy retired #3 on the 777 list at United...if you're not doing your job and you're questioning everything I do (sorry guys, ya do), you've effectively turned into ballast and have proceeded to make the situation worse.

Riddle guys can't:

1. Pull a chart out so they actually know where they are (I suppose doing every rating under the sun in a sim or within a 30 mile radius of DAB is to blame for this) I had a guy get completely lost on a 45 minute flight up the east coast because he didn't pull out the STAR for our destination...one of the new york airports. He may as well have been sitting in row 14, and row 14 still got to the airport before he did...just twice the work for me, and all because he can't get a friggin chart out and have an ounce of situational awareness....no excuse for that
2. Do a visual approach; turn off the flight director and you get deer in headlights...why the hell can't you do a visual pattern....it's a jet but it's still an airplane!
3. Accept critizism. Seriously, I'm way more diplomatic in the cockpit than I'm being here, but some of the stuff I have to mention is beyond a student pilot and the aggrivation in my voice is founded. Realize that you don't know every god d@mn thing from the beginning and you'll learn quicker! TRUST ME, I love the days where I don't have to say a d@mn thing besides "nice job, man"...and that's gotten pretty rare!
4. Hand fly...ok, the CRJ has fairly sensitive flight controls. That's tough for every new CRJ pilot, especially low time dudes and dudettes, to adjust to. Fine. Then use the autopilot until you start to get the touch. It's smoother, and people don't want to get seasick while you wrestle with the airplane all the way up to cruise altitude. It's really not impressive that you can hand fly all the way up to FL350, it's impressive if you can fly to FL350 and be as smooth as George. It makes us look unprofessional if the ride is rough due to poor aircraft handling, and people can tell the difference.

...I could go on, but all of the other regional captains out there that are dealing with these 300 hour wonders, and for that matter the sharp FOs we fly with that have to listen to us b!tch about them, are getting tired of it. Our passengers are paying for a safe trip to their destination, not to be along for a flying lesson. Someone's got to draw the line somewhere. Now, I know I was new at one point and will never quit having things to learn...but at least I'm willing to learn and know that I'm not the best out there just because the primadonnas at my crappy little aviation university told me so!
rant over, streak out

 

[say again]

I wish someone would cover some basics with them. By the way, that attitude that a good 80% of these riddle rats have (sorry guys, ya do) turns into a complete pain in my @ss when we're flying. I don't really care how you did it at riddle, or that your daddy retired #3 on the 777 list at United...if you're not doing your job and you're questioning everything I do (sorry guys, ya do), you've effectively turned into ballast and have proceeded to make the situation worse.

Riddle guys can't:

1. Pull a chart out so they actually know where they are (I suppose doing every rating under the sun in a sim or within a 30 mile radius of DAB is to blame for this) I had a guy get completely lost on a 45 minute flight up the east coast because he didn't pull out the STAR for our destination...one of the new york airports. He may as well have been sitting in row 14, and row 14 still got to the airport before he did...just twice the work for me, and all because he can't get a friggin chart out and have an ounce of situational awareness....no excuse for that
2. Do a visual approach; turn off the flight director and you get deer in headlights...why the hell can't you do a visual pattern....it's a jet but it's still an airplane!
3. Accept critizism. Seriously, I'm way more diplomatic in the cockpit than I'm being here, but some of the stuff I have to mention is beyond a student pilot and the aggrivation in my voice is founded. Realize that you don't know every god d@mn thing from the beginning and you'll learn quicker! TRUST ME, I love the days where I don't have to say a d@mn thing besides "nice job, man"...and that's gotten pretty rare!
4. Hand fly...ok, the CRJ has fairly sensitive flight controls. That's tough for every new CRJ pilot, especially low time dudes and dudettes, to adjust to. Fine. Then use the autopilot until you start to get the touch. It's smoother, and people don't want to get seasick while you wrestle with the airplane all the way up to cruise altitude. It's really not impressive that you can hand fly all the way up to FL350, it's impressive if you can fly to FL350 and be as smooth as George. It makes us look unprofessional if the ride is rough due to poor aircraft handling, and people can tell the difference.

...I could go on, but all of the other regional captains out there that are dealing with these 300 hour wonders, and for that matter the sharp FOs we fly with that have to listen to us b!tch about them, are getting tired of it. Our passengers are paying for a safe trip to their destination, not to be along for a flying lesson. Someone's got to draw the line somewhere. Now, I know I was new at one point and will never quit having things to learn...but at least I'm willing to learn and know that I'm not the best out there just because the primadonnas at my crappy little aviation university told me so!
rant over, streak out

Very well said, and true!!!!

 

[highsky]

I wish someone would cover some basics with them. By the way, that attitude that a good 80% of these riddle rats have (sorry guys, ya do) turns into a complete pain in my @ss when we're flying. I don't really care how you did it at riddle, or that your daddy retired #3 on the 777 list at United...if you're not doing your job and you're questioning everything I do (sorry guys, ya do), you've effectively turned into ballast and have proceeded to make the situation worse.

Riddle guys can't:

1. Pull a chart out so they actually know where they are (I suppose doing every rating under the sun in a sim or within a 30 mile radius of DAB is to blame for this) I had a guy get completely lost on a 45 minute flight up the east coast because he didn't pull out the STAR for our destination...one of the new york airports. He may as well have been sitting in row 14, and row 14 still got to the airport before he did...just twice the work for me, and all because he can't get a friggin chart out and have an ounce of situational awareness....no excuse for that
2. Do a visual approach; turn off the flight director and you get deer in headlights...why the hell can't you do a visual pattern....it's a jet but it's still an airplane!
3. Accept critizism. Seriously, I'm way more diplomatic in the cockpit than I'm being here, but some of the stuff I have to mention is beyond a student pilot and the aggrivation in my voice is founded. Realize that you don't know every god d@mn thing from the beginning and you'll learn quicker! TRUST ME, I love the days where I don't have to say a d@mn thing besides "nice job, man"...and that's gotten pretty rare!
4. Hand fly...ok, the CRJ has fairly sensitive flight controls. That's tough for every new CRJ pilot, especially low time dudes and dudettes, to adjust to. Fine. Then use the autopilot until you start to get the touch. It's smoother, and people don't want to get seasick while you wrestle with the airplane all the way up to cruise altitude. It's really not impressive that you can hand fly all the way up to FL350, it's impressive if you can fly to FL350 and be as smooth as George. It makes us look unprofessional if the ride is rough due to poor aircraft handling, and people can tell the difference.

...I could go on, but all of the other regional captains out there that are dealing with these 300 hour wonders, and for that matter the sharp FOs we fly with that have to listen to us b!tch about them, are getting tired of it. Our passengers are paying for a safe trip to their destination, not to be along for a flying lesson. Someone's got to draw the line somewhere. Now, I know I was new at one point and will never quit having things to learn...but at least I'm willing to learn and know that I'm not the best out there just because the primadonnas at my crappy little aviation university told me so!
rant over, streak out

You do a pretty good job disparaging and mis-characterizing tens of thousands of professional pilots you've never met.

Where did you learn to fly Ace?

 

[BrownStreak]

You do a pretty good job disparaging and mis-characterizing tens of thousands of professional pilots you've never met.

Where did you learn to fly Ace?

Obviously not at NASA like you, Mr. Space Shuttle/SR71 driver. I didn't say it was all of em...but I challenge one to prove me wrong. Hasn't happened yet.

As far as where I learned to fly....well I learned from an older gentleman in my home town who owns his own aircraft, and actually taught me not only how to actually fly the plane, but how to act like a professional while doing it. His motivation was never to crank out as many com/multi/inst's as he could in a month, and the pace was actually appropriate to effective learning through EXPERIENCE. I have made no claim to being the best pilot, but I do claim to have the ability to think for myself.
If you disagree with my previous post, you are obvious an embry ridiculous lackie yourself, and don't have to babysit them. p!ss off.

 

[highsky]

I didn't say it was all of em...but I challenge one to prove me wrong. Hasn't happened yet.

I've known thousands more ERAU alumni than you have Slick. You're WAY off base. You just look like an insecure idiot opening up your co(kholster and disparaging training programs and others about whom you know nothing. Have you ever attended Riddle? No. Have you ever taught at Riddle? No. I've done both.

As far as where I learned to fly....well I learned from an older gentleman in my home town who owns his own aircraft, and actually taught me not only how to actually fly the plane, but how to act like a professional while doing it.

I see.

You became Chuck Yeager by "learning from an older gentleman in your home town who owns his own aircraft." And from this position of aeronautical prestige, you feel qualified to generalize and belittle the 100,000+ pilots who have graduated from ERAU.

Do you even realize how bitter, foolish, and naive you sound?

ERAU also produces more USAF pilots than any other school, second only to the Academy. Does that mean most of the Air Force pilots are imbeciles too?

Gee, I feel so foolish for having wasted my career by training in ERAU and the Air Force. I could have learned to fly from "the older gentleman who lives in a van down by the river." Then I could have been flying a CL65 (whatever that is) like you. I'll just have to settle for the job that my choices DID yield to me: a job at the #1 cargo airline in the U.S. But I suppose my airline is ignorant and stupid too, right? They foolishly believed that an ERAU grad and Air Force veteran would make a good pilot. They apparently don't have your sage wisdom. They don't realize that the best pilots "learn from an older gentleman in your hometown, as only they are truly able to teach professionalism."

You're a gold-medal tool.

In my experience, the only people who bash Riddle or other large university aviation programs are people who either A) don't have an aviation degree; or B) didn't graduate from college.

Get a clue dude: you just sound like an arrogant pri(k with a chip on your shoulder when you bash ERAU pilots collectvely. Tune in to Dr. Phil once in a while and learn something about yourself.