Embry Riddle students

[WestHouston]

Ok. I'm not trying to start a sh*t storm or anything, but what do they tell Embry Riddle guys? Do they really tell them that they are better pilots or that they will get more respect when they tell people that they went to Riddle?

I'm a flight instructor at a lowly local airport. We fly old airplanes. With torn seats. And funky 70's color schemes. With no GPS. A kid comes in and starts his CFI training at my school that did all his training at Riddle. First off, he's scared of steam gauges. He doesn't know how to navigate with a chart without a GPS. To make matters worse, he keeps talking about how he is going to get hired at the first airline he wants because Embry Riddle is known "industry wide" to be the best there is.

He acts like he feels sorry for the instructors there because we don't have the same training and "advantages" that he has, you know, being from Riddle and all.

I think he means well, but I have a hard time taking sympathy from a guy that needs a G1000 to feel safe around class Bravo airspace. Is this guy an anomaly or do they brainwash these guys into thinking they are God's gift to aviation?

 

[stupidpilot]

That's why we call em Riddle Diddles. They are a bunch of prima donna dorks.

 

[FrozenPilot]

There's certainly enough Kool-Aid for everyone at those places. But I think this fine example was one of those propheads that I couldn't stand. A little rich boy who's always been handed everything, given what they told was the best and told they themselves were the best. They've never had to work for anything in their lives and their performance shows it.

 

[kf4amu]

In my opinion, the best combination is a Private from a local, small airport with 70s aircraft, Instrument and Commercial from a good 141 school (Riddle is good at what they do), and Multi from either a 61 or 141 school (pref 61).


The stick and rudder/pilotage and dead reckoning skills are vital and are generally not taught at an applicable level at 141. The structure of the 141 syllabus helps learn the rote knowledge Instrument requires, and the constant oversight at the Commercial level decreases the total hours required to complete the manuevers.

Obviously nothing can compete with experience though, and Riddle doesnt allow their students to gain it. X-wind more than 6 knots, oh well you're grounded. Thunderstorm within 500 miles of your route? Postponed until tomorrow.

 

[WabiSabi]

Thunderstorm within 500 miles of your route? Postponed until tomorrow.

Huh? I get your point but, is that an exaggeration? Because the ER students in FL would never get to fly in the summer.

 

[Medivacer]

The problem is that these places teach kids how to pass the commercial ride, not how to fly. I'm not singling out Riddle. But if some premadonna comes spouting that ********************, I will knock his ass out.

 

[kf4amu]

Huh? I get your point but, is that an exaggeration? Because the ER students in FL would never get to fly in the summer.

Yes it was

 

[Waldom]

That's the standard product; clueless but confident.

 

[CA1900]

Hang on a minute, guys; the popcorn's not quite ready......


There we go. Carry on.

 

[TWA]

Just ask him why he isn't at an airline yet. I mean, he did go to riddle, and thinks he's God's gift to aviation, so why hasn't he been snached up by psa yet?:laugh:

 

[Princedietrich]

In my past dealings with Riddle students, the one major trend that I've noticed is that they lack the ability to adapt and to think outside the box. We've all run into a situation up there that has required some creative thinking or some... dare I say it, unorthodox methods to get the job done. Even with some of the hard-coded FAA regs, there are multiple ways to meet compliance and stay legal while keeping the flow going. Riddlers are tought one way and one way ONLY, and that any other way besides the Riddle way is wrong. Period. Now that's not a slight on the students themselves, it's a problem with the training program they are subjected to.

I've seen first hand some of the stuff that goes on down there, and while it is a nicely run operation with lots of cool toys and new equipment and facilities, there are some less than desirable traits. I mean seriously, have you ever seen how SLOW they taxi down there?! But I do agree with the previous posters who have said that these students are trained to pass the commercial ride, they are not trained to be pilots.

To be honest, I also don't like the idea of being totally dependent on the automation and the glass. If you don't know how to fly the round dials or how to navigate with a sectional and a pencil, you're going to be in a world of hurt out there.

 

[avbug]

Come on, guys. What do you care about what the kid thinks? If he's in your cockpit and you're training him, then cover the material that needs to be covered, use your best judgement, and move on.

The truth is that where most of these kids are headed, they probably won't ever fly round gauges again. With people having only a few hunded hours, going to the airlines and never looking back, as much as you may find the kid's attitude distasteful, it's realistic today.

If he offends you that much, don't take his money. Pass him on to someone else, go get a different student.

 

[A Squared]

Come on, guys. What do you care about what the kid thinks? If he's in your cockpit and you're training him, then cover the material that needs to be covered, use your best judgement, and move on.

The truth is that where most of these kids are headed, they probably won't ever fly round gauges again. With people having only a few hunded hours, going to the airlines and never looking back, as much as you may find the kid's attitude distasteful, it's realistic today.

If he offends you that much, don't take his money. Pass him on to someone else, go get a different student.

Wise words Avbug, but human nature being what it is, sometimes it's tough to rise above and not pay attention to some clueless punk who is doesn't know enough to know what he doesn't know, yet is trumpeting long and loud about his virtues.

 

[JAFI]

I was at a wedding reception several years ago when a dozen Rittle students formed a circle and started jumping up and down shouting “We are so happy to be in A-V-I-A-T-O-N”. This was a dry reception…..I hope they still are but, I sometimes wonder how happy they are now?

 

[phishn@daves]

I was at a wedding reception several years ago when a dozen Rittle students formed a circle and started jumping up and down shouting “We are so happy to be in A-V-I-A-T-O-N”. This was a dry reception…..I hope they still are but, I sometimes wonder how happy they are now?

Well, there's the problem. They are taught there is only one "I" in aviation. That "I" is them.

 

[Princedietrich]

I was at a wedding reception several years ago when a dozen Rittle students formed a circle and started jumping up and down shouting “We are so happy to be in A-V-I-A-T-O-N”. This was a dry reception…..I hope they still are but, I sometimes wonder how happy they are now?

If I were to ever witness a display like that, I'd run out of there screaming and make my best effort to "Captain Morgan" the memory out of my skull. But the real question is did they walk REEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY slow when they moved to form the circle (just like they taxi)?

 

[JAFI]

There were other ER students and graduates at the wedding who just rolled their eyes at the display of youthful exuberance. Going to a school does not make you automatically “better”. In my experience the Rittle students who tell you how great they are, usually are not.

JAFI.

 

[uavchaser]

I had to show a pilot (multi/comm) from Riddle how to fuel an airplane at the fuel pump. I guess if you can't put fuel in the plane you won't kill yourself.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

At Riddle there is only one way to do things. They only flew new equipment, which don't get me wrong is nice, but a kid's going to need a clean pair of shorts if he has to get in a 172 A model off a 1700 foot strip, like i learned in. The program defintely is good training, but I'm glad I got a few certificates before I showed up there. They also hated me for questioning procedure and explaining to instructors that you can fly an airplane without a GPS and be safe.

 

[WabiSabi]

They also hated me for questioning procedure and explaining to instructors that you can fly an airplane without a GPS and be safe.

Wow! Unfrickingbelievable!