Embraer 190 comparable pay

[da90drivr]

More than 70/hour, thats for sure...

Well don't leave us hanging. How much and what aircraft.

 

[A350]

He can't say.....

He thinks because someone works for JB and is satisfied with the payrate on the 190, that they are "selling themselves short".....

He doesn't understand airline economics. Airline economics aren't what they were in the late 90's.....granted, I wish fares would come up as well. But higher fares will only get the mainline carriers off the cellar floor. It certainly will not allow them to make lots of money and simultaneously fund pensions, retool their existing fleets, and pay the pilots what they were making in the late 90's. With fuel twice what it was back then and everything else costing more, there is no way to effectively do what you want.

The 190 pay is low. However, it won't stay that way forever just like the Airbus pay went up as well.....it is a gradual transition. Did the SWA guys make top dollar when they started? No! However, they, like everyone else, should look to the future. If they had, maybe some of the mainline ALPA carriers wouldn't be the shadows of their former selves.

A350

 

[TNPILOT]

The 190 pay is a disgrace.

So is being a PFT POS!

http://gulfstreamacademy.com/testimonials.php

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

A more disgrace

The 190 pay is a disgrace.

I agree 100% with Uppercrust, the E190 pay IS a disgrace, but judging from his avatar (if that is a real pic) I think that poor excuse for a so called airline pilot job he bought at Gulfstream Int'l is not only a disgrace but an abomination! The owner of Gulfstream Int'l Tom Cooper (Eastern scab) is bending you over and wiping his rear end with your uniform shirt collar...the same uniform shirt collar he made you wear while you were still in ground school. You're subsidizing his airline, the person in the right seat is paying to sit there and the guy in the left seat could make more working at Taco Bell meanwhile Tom Cooper is laughing all the way to the bank in his Beech Baron that the pilots paid for.

 

[Fins Up]

Uppercrust,

It's not a good idea to post your picture on Flightinfo............

Now a picture of your wife or girlfriend - that's okay!

She told me she only sent that picture to me. Tell her to call me ASAP.

I guess we should just raise our pay rates to "what they should be" to quiet all the complainers of pay rates. To heck with the company's financial well being. Let's raise the rates to make as much as possible before the coffers run dry. Then we can go down the tubes with everyone else.

Times have changed and are still changing. How many more bankruptcies and pension dumps do we have to see before complainers get a clue???

Now that's the right way to look at it.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Patience is a virtue that not many pilots own up to. With all those folks aiming the "you're dragging the industry down" sydrome at us, you might want to ask how much a straight pay (no overtime 70+) captain at UAL is making flying the A-320; I believe UAL is the one dragging the industry down, so please, direct your quote to them instead! If we wait this out long enough, our pay will look pretty good after management at NWA and DAL get done with their "reorganization". Or better yet, how much do the guys and gals flying the 170s for Shuttle America get for their pay??? Or NEWCO??? in their 70-110 seat jets. Therein lies the fact as to why JBLU probably will keep our rates where they're at for now and compensate accordingly with profit sharing in the future... Something that most legacy carriers do not participate in.

 

[727RedTails]

One could also argue that United 320 pay was brought down to the lowest common denominator, that being JetBlue at the time. Hopefully things will turn around now that all the executives are getting their big bonuses and we will be able to bring the wages up to where they belong at all the carriers.

 

[Hutchman]

The 190 pay is a disgrace.

Who do you fly for? Gulfstream?

 

[Uppercrust]

So is being a PFT POS!

http://gulfstreamacademy.com/testimonials.php

Whatever MR. ERJ.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Hopefully things will turn around now that all the executives are getting their big bonuses and we will be able to bring the wages up to where they belong at all the carriers.

Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[furloughed dude]

I left Jetblue, mainly from this issue. After all the bitching, after all the pocket sessions, David, Dave, and little Dave (Bushy) said tough luck. In order for us to make money, we need to pay trash wages to our people. How 'bout them values boys?

And what really got me is that people like some of you guys bought it. Amazing! Lets work for half wages so Jetblue can make money. Why not work for free? We don't care about a retirement, we got those stock options! Worth alot now for the numbers 500 and higher, huh?

Some of you wonder why you get denied jumpseats and the like.... I know it isn't supposed to be a political tool, but it was a slap in the face to the industry. I know I caught slack as a commuter and normally just paid nonrev charges to my furloughed carrier to not have to deal with it...
..
Don't get me wrong, there are some great guys there. But there are quite a few morons that seem to be just happy to have a job and would gladly work for less...

 

[TNPILOT]

Whatever MR. ERJ.

Nice try. Beats paying for SIC 1900 time big boy! Either you're a moron or a flame baiter. Probably the latter or both.

 

[C77MD80]

Patience is a virtue that not many pilots own up to. With all those folks aiming the "you're dragging the industry down" sydrome at us, you might want to ask how much a straight pay (no overtime 70+) captain at UAL is making flying the A-320; I believe UAL is the one dragging the industry down, so please, direct your quote to them instead! If we wait this out long enough, our pay will look pretty good after management at NWA and DAL get done with their "reorganization". Or better yet, how much do the guys and gals flying the 170s for Shuttle America get for their pay??? Or NEWCO??? in their 70-110 seat jets. Therein lies the fact as to why JBLU probably will keep our rates where they're at for now and compensate accordingly with profit sharing in the future... Something that most legacy carriers do not participate in.

Hey Blue, hope that when we wait even longer after the dust settles at NWA, DL, Shuttle America and NEWCO that DN doesn't "adjust" your pay accordingly so that you can in fact maintain a profit.

 

[Mugs]

Patience is a virtue that not many pilots own up to. With all those folks aiming the "you're dragging the industry down" sydrome at us, you might want to ask how much a straight pay (no overtime 70+) captain at UAL is making flying the A-320; I believe UAL is the one dragging the industry down, so please, direct your quote to them instead! If we wait this out long enough, our pay will look pretty good after management at NWA and DAL get done with their "reorganization". Or better yet, how much do the guys and gals flying the 170s for Shuttle America get for their pay??? Or NEWCO??? in their 70-110 seat jets. Therein lies the fact as to why JBLU probably will keep our rates where they're at for now and compensate accordingly with profit sharing in the future... Something that most legacy carriers do not participate in.

No B-fund, weaker benefits, and no widebody flying. Just a few peaks at the big picture regarding your UAL comment. Not that our contract is something to be proud of, but there is more to it than just the hourly A320 payrate. What we both have in common is much to prove in the years ahead.

 

[FDJ2]

If we wait this out long enough, our pay will look pretty good after management at NWA and DAL get done with their "reorganization".

If you wait this out long enough you'll be getting a paycut so that you can once again work for half the wages and benefits of the legacy carriers.

 

[D'Angelo]

FYI:

For those who are not aware of comparable equipment pay for the E190 since it's a new type, here is Air Canada's E190/E175 pay in U.S. Dollars: 1st year = $32K/year, 2nd year = $36.4K/year respectively for both Capt & FO. 3rd year Capt = $97.9/hour, FO = $51.5/hour. 4th year Capt = $100/hour, FO = $54.1/hour.

These numbers are still significantly higher than Jetblue's after factoring in JB's 1.5X pay above 70 hours flown. We need to get the pay up here at Big Blue!

Chronic Jetlag

In case you didnt realize we are living in the united states my friend! Its a whole different animal in another country.

 

[G4G5]

How much do Air Canada pilots pay for their health care?
Oh that's right they don't pay for health care.

Where is B6's largest pilot base?
Cost of living in the sticks of Canada?

 

[J32driver]

How much do Air Canada pilots pay for their health care?
Oh that's right they don't pay for health care.

Where is B6's largest pilot base?
Cost of living in the sticks of Canada?

No... they just stand in line for 3 days when they want an aspirin from the Dr. And who wants to live in the sticks of Canada... its cold there!

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Hey upper, that picture is a disgrace!

 

[Green]

Patience is a virtue that not many pilots own up to. With all those folks aiming the "you're dragging the industry down" sydrome at us, you might want to ask how much a straight pay (no overtime 70+) captain at UAL is making flying the A-320; I believe UAL is the one dragging the industry down, so please, direct your quote to them instead! If we wait this out long enough, our pay will look pretty good after management at NWA and DAL get done with their "reorganization". Or better yet, how much do the guys and gals flying the 170s for Shuttle America get for their pay??? Or NEWCO??? in their 70-110 seat jets. Therein lies the fact as to why JBLU probably will keep our rates where they're at for now and compensate accordingly with profit sharing in the future... Something that most legacy carriers do not participate in.

Ual dragging the industry down??? Are you joking? Sure once they were on the verge of liquidating they had to bring their pay down to the level of everyone else. But, even after the massive paycuts they are still right in line with industry average pay and get a B plan contribution of 15%.

Now before they were on the verge of collapse they had pilots making 345/hour, the lowest paid 737-200 captain on property made over 170/hour. Those retiring were getting pensions anywhere from 100-180k/year for the rest of their lives and most had a B fund with about a million dollars in it. According to a few articles bemoaning the productivity at UAL the average pilot flew under 60 hours hard time and was paid over 80 hours. Now how in the world is that dragging the industry down.

The only reason that all this came crashing down was because UAL's cost structure was way out of whack with airines like SWA, JBLUE, AWA, Frontier, etc. I don't think you can ever accuse a pilot group of dragging the industry down when they had guys making nearly 400k/year.