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Uncle Bunkle
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Eagle will shrink in the future. The 44 and 37 seaters are doomed. Once they are parked and the flowbacks leave, there will still be no movement. Only hope is getting a new larger aircraft on property. My belief is that this isn't going to happen at least not in this decade. Wouldn't be surprised either to see AMR try to outsource more flying to less junior (i.e. cheaper) companies. Should be fun ot watch. Lots of changes coming in the industry.
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No preferential treatment, but you do get ignored for free when walking by them in the terminal. It's not that they don't notice you, it's that they try so hard to act like they don't.
Letter 3 (the flowthrough/flowback debacle) dies this spring, and so too does the flowthrough to AA.
labbats
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Anything is possible, but this is unlikely. Don't you people get tired of spreading doom theories? Pick any regional out there and someone will tell you it's just a matter of time before they fold, but out of all of the regionals I'd wager that Eagle isn't going anywhere.
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The seat lock is one year. I've heard of guys going to training earlier but no guarantee.
Here's the most recent pay scale for FO's from the company website.
Years of Service / Turboprop / Turbojet
- $23.51 $23.51
- $25.27 $31.77
- $28.15 $34.49
- $31.05 $36.20
- $32.49 $37.12
- $33.93 $37.74
- $34.37 $38.22
- $34.92 $38.87
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labbats
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10 years? Man I hope not.
Growth will be slow, I agree, but the hiring freeze from 9/11/2001 until almost 3 years later will speed up the upgrades after that last captain from pre-9/11 gets upgraded. That will drop the captain time-to-upgrade down three years from that point.
I got hired in fall 2004 and if I had to guess at when I'll upgrade, I'd say I could hold a Saab captain sometime in 2008. It is stagnant at the top half of the seniority list, but I firmly believe that after all the recalls are filled at the majors, and hiring begins at that level that people can and will finally leave. The flowbacks will probably be out of here by early 2008 or so and that's another 350+ captain seats.
Anyone getting hired won't have to sit around on reserve for the two years I did, and upgrades will come down to probably 3-4 years for a turboprop. While that isn't as quick as a lot of other regionals, there is much more stability and your quality of life due to swaps/drops/trip trades/100% line guarantee etc. is much better here.
Lastly, the EMB135 is a relic from a past agreement and probably hurts the bottom line, but getting rid of them entirely without a replacement is not likely to happen. While we do get e-mails from time to time about keeping our costs low to be competetive, I don't get the feeling that we're just one slip-up from losing our flying to Chautauqua or Trans States. If anything, I've heard that they are the ones on the fence rather than Eagle.
Growth will be slow, I agree, but the hiring freeze from 9/11/2001 until almost 3 years later will speed up the upgrades after that last captain from pre-9/11 gets upgraded. That will drop the captain time-to-upgrade down three years from that point.
I got hired in fall 2004 and if I had to guess at when I'll upgrade, I'd say I could hold a Saab captain sometime in 2008. It is stagnant at the top half of the seniority list, but I firmly believe that after all the recalls are filled at the majors, and hiring begins at that level that people can and will finally leave. The flowbacks will probably be out of here by early 2008 or so and that's another 350+ captain seats.
Anyone getting hired won't have to sit around on reserve for the two years I did, and upgrades will come down to probably 3-4 years for a turboprop. While that isn't as quick as a lot of other regionals, there is much more stability and your quality of life due to swaps/drops/trip trades/100% line guarantee etc. is much better here.
Lastly, the EMB135 is a relic from a past agreement and probably hurts the bottom line, but getting rid of them entirely without a replacement is not likely to happen. While we do get e-mails from time to time about keeping our costs low to be competetive, I don't get the feeling that we're just one slip-up from losing our flying to Chautauqua or Trans States. If anything, I've heard that they are the ones on the fence rather than Eagle.
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What are you talking about i was hired there in 04 and quit 6 months later.
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They did not hire until first 1/3 of 04.
Thanks for the gospel, pastor. Eagle, in my opinion, does a pretty good job of filtering people out through the interview, Captain's board, and probation. I'll recommend whomever I please.
1 day trips, CDOs, 2 day trips, and 4 days. Most overnights are short (12 hours or less) except for Nevis and Canouan. It can be a really good life or a really bad life, depending on what you make of it. It's very easy to do reserve, hardly fly, and sit on the beach all day long.....if that's to your liking. Some people would rather sit inside and bitch. The ATR isn't the coolest (temperature wise) airplane, so you will sweat from May to October. But now it's absolutely gorgeous down here. We are super short on FOs in SJU too. I bid reserve in July and had 16 people below me and only 4 above me. Now I would only have like 5 below me and 4 above me.
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"No preferential treatment, but you do get ignored for free when walking by them in the terminal. It's not that they don't notice you, it's that they try so hard to act like they don't."
Actually, a snappy salute would be appropriate when in the presence of an AA pilot. Also, please move over to the edge of the hallway so as not to hinder their path. You are not worthy.
Actually, a snappy salute would be appropriate when in the presence of an AA pilot. Also, please move over to the edge of the hallway so as not to hinder their path. You are not worthy.
Upgrade is by overall company seniority only. Reserve depends from base to base. I held a line after 2 weeks of reserve in SJU. That was 10 months ago. It's probably not quite that quick right now but still probably one of the quickest in the company.
Bid award from 12/05 shows a few guys hired from March and April of 1998 getting RJ upggrade....anyone demoted is back in the seat and now the time starts coming down. with the LOU about flowbacks who decline recall being displaceable, i'd say the time will come down pretty quick.
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Then it is possible that the current Eagle may not be your cup of tea. I wholly anticipate upgrade to be around 5 years here in around 2 years. But like was said earlier in this topic: working at Eagle is a great idea if you want to have the job stability of a huge company. If you want the 2 year upgrade and are ok with more job instability, then you better look elsewhere.
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Well while I anticipate it coming down quickly as well you might want to think about some place else, because you never know.
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then what are you doing ENTERING the 121 world?
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How do you figure that? Right now it is only 7, do you predict that even after the 3 year hiring freeze is skipped(when upgrade goes from 2001-2004)and the 390 CA's are recalled that the upgrade time is actually going to increase 3 years? How do you know that it is going to increase? Not doubting, just wondering what you know that I dont.
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8AF-Flying something bigger is better? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember you have to pass random drug tests at AE, so lay off the pot. You have so much to learn. How would you like to earn $37,500 as an eight year first officer??????????????? But at least you are flying a jet! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go do the math you can make more working at WALMART!
Shouldn't be hard at all. I'm sure they'll take whoever they can to get more staffing in the expensive northeast.
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