Eagle DFW CRJ CA/FO Vacancy Bid

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Once AA starts callbacks I'm sure Eagle will experience something similar to CAL/ExpressJet.

I read the funniest stuff on this board. Keep the jokes coming, it's a riot!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

I read the funniest stuff on this board. Keep the jokes coming, it's a riot!

What is your look at the situation then? Don't you see that happening down the road? I'm not saying next year, but perhaps 4-5 down the road?

 

[CitationLover]

I hate to correct you on this but unfortunately 4yr Cpt. pay would be a pipe dream for AMR. The TWA guys are getting full recognition of seniority for pay. That's right, TWA people who had 10 years at TWA, and 4 years at AA are getting 14 year Cpt. pay. They get 14 year 401(k) matching too. The only thing they don't get 14 year of is vacation. (feel free to correct me on this if you know otherwise). You're right, they do have a great gig. I think it is AMR's 'brilliant' way of shifting cost centers so that AA looks better for the shareholders. I can see the year end report now: "See, we reduced XX millions of $$ in payroll thus decreasing our expense ratios." Little do those shareholders know that Eagle is left holding the bag paying these shmucks while they sit at home and drink beer and have bbq soaking up 14 yr Capt. pay and adding ZERO productivity to AMR. AMR's situation is only marginally better by shifting "flow back" pilots to Eagle. The 14 year Eagle Capt. pay is cheaper than 14 year AA FO pay (maybe, I don't know). AMR is taking FULL advantage of Eagle's Flow policy for their financial gain. It is good for Eagle in good times, and good for AMR in bad times. It gives them a convienient place to stick their unwanted cling-on pilots when things aren't so good. The shareholders don't car about Eagle. We're the ba$stard child. And I ask you now, why is Eagle having such a hard time posting that "p word?" Kick out the flowbies, and you'll see that "p word" a lot more often.

Most "flobies" I've flown with are TWA.

J_D

J_D,

you misunderstood me. i meant most flobies sitting at home waiting for classes are AA flobies and not TWA flobies. thus the 4yr sitting at home CA pay comment. most flobies waiting for class were recent '05 furloughs and are AAers.

the rumor is now flobies maybe coming as FO's.

 

[Moonshiner]

Drink beer, eat bbq and sit home collecting 14 year captain pay. Not a bad gig. Where do I sign up to be a "shmuck"?

 

[labbats]

A lot of people think that the new all-flowback classes are meant to call their bluff and bring them in, or force their hand on quitting now. Anyone would want to sit at home and get paid, especially if American is probably going to scoop them right back up with no time in at Eagle.

So Eagle calls their bluff and tells them to hurry up and get into class for the EMB/CRJ now rather than later. I'm willing to bet a lot of those at-home flowbacks will pass on Eagle and take their chances with a recall this fall or spring. That helps out everyone and stops the wasteful spending.

As far as a hiring boom... I think it's possible. You have over 400 captain slots that will be sprouting off to American as soon as the phone rings. How can you avoid a vacuum when a recall starts?

 

[Jet_Driver]

As far as a hiring boom... I think it's possible. You have over 400 captain slots that will be sprouting off to American as soon as the phone rings. How can you avoid a vacuum when a recall starts?

You are very intelligent, much more so than AA, Eagle or AMR management. This is one of the Million $$ questions. Management has their hands tied thanks to the geniouses at APA/ALPA. The only winners here are the unions. They still get their $$$. The only other group to benefit (eventually) are the 6 year F/Os waiting upgrade.

Other than that, Labbats, aking a question like that is like asking,"Why can't we have rampers who are more efficient?" There is no easy answer to it.

 

[I Hate Freight]

I read the funniest stuff on this board. Keep the jokes coming, it's a riot!

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that is not going to happen when AA recalls? Of course it will!

The flushbacks will start going back to AA droves over the next 1-2 years. Couple that with 20 f/o's quitting per month and you're going to see a big push upward. Just wait for it. These are just cycles.

 

[PacoPollo]

Thats comming from a woman mouth. Go figure

 

[shroomwell]

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that is not going to happen when AA recalls? Of course it will!

The flushbacks will start going back to AA droves over the next 1-2 years. Couple that with 20 f/o's quitting per month and you're going to see a big push upward. Just wait for it. These are just cycles.

Hey IHF, check your senority and tell me if you think 20 FO's are quiting a month, if they are they are all new hires. My senority moved up 4 numbers over several months. Coincendaltiy in those several months my base senority or went down by 10 or 20. What a great place.

 

[aa73]

Former, VERY former MEC.

Darrah and the APA crowd did, in fact, try to steal more than that, though. Didn't work.

LAXSaabdude.

I know. Shame on them...

 

[English]

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that is not going to happen when AA recalls? Of course it will!

The flushbacks will start going back to AA droves over the next 1-2 years. Couple that with 20 f/o's quitting per month and you're going to see a big push upward. Just wait for it. These are just cycles.

My friends at Eagle have been drinking this koolaid for years. It's very sad to watch a pilot group wrangle up this kind of hope and then be disappointed time and time again. I know the only way they can get themselves up out of bed and make it to work everyday is to keep some hope that things will eventually improve. Just remember, people at Eagle have been saying FOR YEARS that it will improve as soon as x,y or z happens. Unfortunately, x, y and z never come. Just don't want to see more of my friends at Eagle get hurt holding onto false hopes.

 

[igneousy2]

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that is not going to happen when AA recalls? Of course it will!

The flushbacks will start going back to AA droves over the next 1-2 years. Couple that with 20 f/o's quitting per month and you're going to see a big push upward. Just wait for it. These are just cycles.

Where are you getting this information? Eagle will not be recieving new aircraft anytime soon. Get comfortable in whatever seat you are in. Saabs are gone in the next couple of years. ATR's will probably be not too far behind. Even if AA recalled every single pilot tomorrow it would still take at least 1 year to train 400 captains. I was hired 11/99, CA upgrades on the september '01 bid were going to 10/99 hires, I would have probably upgraded in 10/'01 or 11/'01 at the latest. right now I would be sitting at 183 numbers away from turbo-prop ready-reserve captain and 600 numbers away from ready-reserve jet captain. If you figure that most of the turbo-props will be gone in the next 1-2 years, and they recall all 400 flush backs, then if you were hired in late 1999/early 2000 you are hanging on to the hopes of being a captain in 1-2 years at the earliest. If you weren't on the property on 9/11 I wouldn't be hoping for an upgrade anytime this decade.

Later

 

[tk855]

I think you are off just a bit. They have slowly been changing their minds about retiring the saabs in the next couple of years. In fact, they are parking some of the older saabs and replacing them with lower time airframes out of the parking lot in ABI. They have cancelled all saab retirements for this year and are keeping the fleet numbers the same. I don't know what they will do with the atr's when their time comes up, but I seriously doubt they will get rid of them and give up on the mia and sju flying! They can't replace the atr's with the jets, the jets won't work in that market. They could replace them with bigger jets or ejets, but that is a whole different argument!