E-195 Never in the Regionals

[FlyComAirJets]

PCL_128, and any other boot licking ingratiate, should read Surplus 1's post.

 

[JoeMerchant]

PCL_128, and any other boot licking ingratiate, should read Surplus 1's post.

Too short of an attention span and not enough pictures for PCL128..... not to mention all the big words:>)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

What a joke. If we are going to use scope, has anyone ever thought why not base the scope on aircraft basic operating weight rather then seat capacity? eg. All aircraft above 70,000 lbs are mainline. That would prevent cheating the system. Just a thought.

Northwest pilots tried that with a clause stating the airlinks could only operate a plane with under 70 seats. that's why the Avro has 69 instead of 85. Then the pilots got wise to that trick and said ok only x amount CERTIFIED for 45 or more. So NWA management went to Bombardier and said recertify the CRJ-200 for 44 seats and guess what shows up at 9E the CRJ-200 with 6 seats pulled out and recertified as the 44 seat CRJ-440.... IT'S THE SAME DANG PLANE FOLKS. There is a way around scope if you want to find it..... how long has Republic/Chautauqua/SA been flying in violation of American's? What has been done about it? This battle has already been lost.

 

[labbats]

Northwest pilots tried that with a clause stating the airlinks could only operate a plane with under 70 seats. that's why the Avro has 69 instead of 85. Then the pilots got wise to that trick and said ok only x amount CERTIFIED for 45 or more. So NWA management went to Bombardier and said recertify the CRJ-200 for 44 seats and guess what shows up at 9E the CRJ-200 with 6 seats pulled out and recertified as the 44 seat CRJ-440.... IT'S THE SAME DANG PLANE FOLKS. There is a way around scope if you want to find it..... how long has Republic/Chautauqua/SA been flying in violation of American's? What has been done about it? This battle has already been lost.

What's been done about it? How about a daily fine that's been going on for months now.

 

[h25b]

Northwest pilots tried that with a clause stating the airlinks could only operate a plane with under 70 seats. that's why the Avro has 69 instead of 85. Then the pilots got wise to that trick and said ok only x amount CERTIFIED for 45 or more. So NWA management went to Bombardier and said recertify the CRJ-200 for 44 seats and guess what shows up at 9E the CRJ-200 with 6 seats pulled out and recertified as the 44 seat CRJ-440.... IT'S THE SAME DANG PLANE FOLKS. There is a way around scope if you want to find it..... how long has Republic/Chautauqua/SA been flying in violation of American's? What has been done about it? This battle has already been lost.

Looks like people are starting to figure out why I've been saying, "if its got jet engines, it goes to mainline..." Simple and effective...

 

[PCL_128]

PCL_128, and any other boot licking ingratiate, should read Surplus 1's post.

The problem with Surplus1's post is the same as it always is: it just isn't so! No regional's contract comes close to comparing to the contracts at the legacy carriers in terms of both pay and work rules. I have the CBAs of pretty much every ALPA and non-ALPA carrier right on my computer as we speak. Surplus, as a former ALPA Officer, you had the exact same information available to you. Take a look at the current CAL, DAL, AA, AAA, etc... contracts and compare them to your current book at CMR. You may have a few minor areas that are better, but overall pay and QOL just doesn't compare. They have a long way to come down before they come close to approaching the regionals' level. Saying that a career at the regionals even comes close to one at a legacy is just ridiculous.

I agree with Randy Babbit completely when he says that ALPA made a mistake. Notice however that Randy has never once advocated any of the RJDC's positions on the elimination of scope. Randy is merely stating the obvious: ALPA screwed up on this one. As they say, hindsight is 20/20. It would certainly be nice to go back and undo the damage that has been done to this profession. Unfortunately, that's just wishful thinking. The only thing we can do at this point is stop the continued erosion of the profession. In other words, do the exact opposite of what Surplus and his RJDC cronies advocate. We have to put a stop to this outsourcing to the regionals at some point. Expanding it as Surplus advocates would be a disaster. Stop reading RJDC propaganda and wake up to reality.

 

[PCL_128]

Looks like people are starting to figure out why I've been saying, "if its got jet engines, it goes to mainline..." Simple and effective...

Amen to that!

 

[Dizel8]

Looks like people are starting to figure out why I've been saying, "if its got jet engines, it goes to mainline..." Simple and effective...

One step further, then you got it: If it flies for the company, company pilots fly it.
No need to give away ATRs,Dash 8s or B-1900 etc. You start in the ATR you end in the 787/747/380!

 

[FreightNazi]

One step further, then you got it: If it flies for the company, company pilots fly it.
No need to give away ATRs,Dash 8s or B-1900 etc. You start in the ATR you end in the 787/747/380!

But what if the newhire is former military? You don't expect him to start in a turboprop do you? Maybe the civilians could start in the turboprop and the military guys start in the 737/A-320 size jet. That sounds more fair. Otherwise, you are not going to be able to attract the military pilots as most will not want to start out flying a turboprop.

 

[Nindiri]

Tough crap for them. They can take a senority number and start at the bottom just like everyone else.