DW is mad at Jetblue

[Dizel8]

I would applaud Jet Blue if their efforts were directed at complete overhaul..

For political reasons, I don't think DW would view that to kindly either.

 

[furloughed dude]

Uh, actually Beavis, I was offered a job at Jetblue, but did not accept. I was recalled sooner than expected at my former carrier. But thanks for paying the airline flight and hotel in New York. I decided to spend the rest of the day in the city....

As per the 8 hour rule, I don't have a problem with that personally. But the 100 seat jet rates cheapen the industry. They told us at the interview that we could expect a quick upgrade to Captain. No kidding....

You guys don't give a $hit about the profession, therefore, you shouldn't get to enjoy the benefits that the profession worked to get (i.e., jumpseats). I have quite a few friends that work there that don't seem as happy as you. Now they are looking at 4 year upgrades and living in the crash pad in JFK making 50 bucks an hour just doesn't get the bills paid. Of course, you could make 70 bucks and be a captain!

 

[80drvr]

For political reasons, I don't think DW would view that to kindly either.

Why? Please explain.

 

[Dizel8]

Why? Please explain.

Well, as we know, DW has been unable to change what is admittedly some rather arcane and fattiguing, if not less safe working conditions. For political reasons, it would not look good, if jetblue or another non union was able to change them for the better, ie lowering max duty.

Then again, perhaps he would embrace such a thing, but his stance, untill recently, on the age 60 rule, suggest that such would not be the case.
I am sure, if jetblue had petitioned the FAA for a rule change to age 60 a few years back, we would have seen a similar response from DW.

JMHO.

 

[Dizel8]

Uh, actually Beavis, I was offered a job at Jetblue, but did not accept. I was recalled sooner than expected at my former carrier. But thanks for paying the airline flight and hotel in New York. I decided to spend the rest of the day in the city....

As per the 8 hour rule, I don't have a problem with that personally. But the 100 seat jet rates cheapen the industry.

You guys don't give a $hit about the profession, therefore, you shouldn't get to enjoy the benefits that the profession worked to get (i.e., jumpseats). !

But the 100 seat jet rates cheapen the industry.

You must really hate the Mesaba pilots, after all, they have NWA pasted all over that BAE146, but I guess since it is renamed the RJ85 it is cool with you.
Have you looked their payscale lately, better deny them jumpseats!

The 190 pay was lower than I thought it would be.

and yet 13 days later, you try to get your "friend" on:

I have a friend who is too cheap to buy his own computer so I decided to help him out!!

Might he be he same you are now advocating denying jumpseats to:

I am not saying not be friends with nonunion members, just not give them access to the jumpseat. I know alot of folks at Jetblue are ex ALPA furloughees, but this isn't personal. .

So in essence you are saying, that if you are ALPA, you can take whatever pay you can get, but if you are not, even if you get higher pay than a ALPA pilot, then you should be denied the jumpseat?

Guy, is there something you want to tell us, is the meds not working? One minute jetblue is great, next minute the enemy. You now want to deny jumpseats to VirginUSA, yet, you wanted to apply there as well or was that for your "friend" too.

Does anyone know if Virgin is taking resumes. How about any other info, like expected pay and the like. I read where Virgin Atlantic guys don't get paid well, just curious... Thanks

You are so all over the map, but I suppose, now that you are back at NWA, you will extract your revenge: "Those bastards at blue, they will pay, pay I tell you, muhahaha!"

Like the kids say:"Whatever".

 

[PCL_128]

Then again, perhaps he would embrace such a thing, but his stance, untill recently, on the age 60 rule, suggest that such would not be the case.
I am sure, if jetblue had petitioned the FAA for a rule change to age 60 a few years back, we would have seen a similar response from DW.

Contrary to popular belief, DW and ALPA national have not changed their view on age 60. They are merely polling the membership to see what they think. Even if the membership poll shows that the members want a change, that does not mean that official ALPA policy will change. This is merely a method of seeing where the membership is on the issue.

As for the flight time and duty rules, I think if JB agreed to join forces with ALPA to try to make a comprehensive change to the rules then DW would be happy to have you with us. Cherry picking the rules you don't like and trying to get exemptions for them is unacceptable however. You're going to drag the rest of us down with you.

 

[Dizel8]

Contrary to popular belief, DW and ALPA national have not changed their view on age 60. They are merely polling the membership to see what they think. Even if the membership poll shows that the members want a change, that does not mean that official ALPA policy will change.

SWAPA is going for the age 60 exemption, yet, I have seen no outcry from DW, even though ALPA stance is still 60, until the polling is complete.

If a poll shows the majority of ALPA members to be for it, then DW would have to change his stance, since he would have to represent the majority of his members, correct?

As for the flight time and duty rules, I think if JB agreed to join forces with ALPA to try to make a comprehensive change to the rules then DW would be happy to have you with us.

Now, just playing a little bit of devils advocate here: So we are not allowed to do anything without ALPA,we must toe the union line, even though ALPA does not have to ask us. Seems like a disconnect to me, perhaps we should pay dues, while not being represented. Perhaps we should ask DW if he accepts our contract etc?

I have decided not to be a proponent of changing the 8hr rule, because I have come to the realization, that while I believe it has certain merits, it has the potential of being abused by some carriers management. However, I still do not think, that DW would ever work for what is in the best interest of me, nor would he ever ask my input on any issues, unless I pay him to do so. I have no problem with that, but then do not expect me to ask him! Fair?

 

[semperfido]

How would you expect this rule modification to effect your job flying a G550? Looks like you are furloughed, and yes if you were thinking about going back to AA then there might be implications. Otherwise as a G550 Capt. I just don't see the connection and no I do not believe in the trikle down theory as it applies to this issue. Surley would not give up a G550 job to go back to AA, would you? How many hours are willing to fly in the G550 with only two guys? I'll bet it is in excess of 10 and that does not figure in the time hanging around the FBO. Not being critical of your posts, just trying to see where you are coming from on this issue.

Thanks...

-10.5-

 

[IB6 UB9]

Uh, actually Beavis, I was offered a job at Jetblue, but did not accept. I was recalled sooner than expected at my former carrier. But thanks for paying the airline flight and hotel in New York. I decided to spend the rest of the day in the city....

As per the 8 hour rule, I don't have a problem with that personally. But the 100 seat jet rates cheapen the industry. They told us at the interview that we could expect a quick upgrade to Captain. No kidding....

You guys don't give a $hit about the profession, therefore, you shouldn't get to enjoy the benefits that the profession worked to get (i.e., jumpseats). I have quite a few friends that work there that don't seem as happy as you. Now they are looking at 4 year upgrades and living in the crash pad in JFK making 50 bucks an hour just doesn't get the bills paid. Of course, you could make 70 bucks and be a captain!

I doubt very much you were offered a job at JetBlue...and I am surprised you landed over at NWA. You are the kind of "professional" human garbage that interviewers laugh about at the end of the day..."you should have seen this one idiot we had!" I think Dizel8 did a good job bringing to everyone's attention your true colors. You have to hand it to a guy who switches sides more often than a tennis ball on an ANONYMOUS MESSAGE BOARD even. Must be a real treat to fly with...writing up all your Captains after shaking their hands at the end of the day. What a tool.

 

[Dizel8]

I doubt very much you were offered a job at JetBlue.

Of course he wasn't, not that it in itself means anything,geting hired is always a crapshoot, but clearly there are some pent up anger issues!

 

[yaks]

UA has it right. No jumpseats for JB.

 

[737 Pylt]

who pissed in your cheerios

Riiiiighttttttt. You'll never take concessions, you'll never furlough, bla bla, bla...Times are a changin' It'll start with retirement at 65, 10 flight hours per day , soon to be 12, followed by 120 seaters dominating the industry. ALPA will soon be the NHL.

What the hell does that have to do with my post??
I stated I wasn't interested in doing transcon turn arounds!
Are you looking to argue just to argue or are you just trying to be a tool??

In case you forget, my origional post read

Uh.... What do you think doing transcon turns will be. Sheer excitement?? I think not. Our JFK SEA legs are a killer! Then to turn around and do it again, no way. If you want to do that, knock yourself out, but not me.
737

 

[Dizel8]

UA has it right. No jumpseats for JB.

That seems like a good solution, but let us think that one a bit further. Next thing you know, UAL realizes that F9 is the big threat and denies them jumpseats. Then the ALPA poll says no change to age 60, yet SWAPA pushes ahead, ALPA carriers denies them the use of the jumpseat. In the mean time in TX, the Wright amendment is overturned, APA gets mad at SWAPA, what do they do, yep, deny jumpseats. Needless to say, U viewing LUV as the killer, says no to them. DALPA, having been forced to give up the pensions, due to it going away at UAL, decides to take that out on the UAL pilots and for good measures Airtran. So on and so forth.

That is the problem, once it starts, where will it end? Next thing you know, jumpseats are a thing of the past.

 

[G4G5]

That seems like a good solution, but let us think that one a bit further. Next thing you know, UAL realizes that F9 is the big threat and denies them jumpseats. Then the ALPA poll says no change to age 60, yet SWAPA pushes ahead, ALPA carriers denies them the use of the jumpseat. In the mean time in TX, the Wright amendment is overturned, APA gets mad at SWAPA, what do they do, yep, deny jumpseats. Needless to say, U viewing LUV as the killer, says no to them. DALPA, having been forced to give up the pensions, due to it going away at UAL, decides to take that out on the UAL pilots and for good measures Airtran. So on and so forth.

That is the problem, once it starts, where will it end? Next thing you know, jumpseats are a thing of the past.

Which would eventually lead to exactly what mgt wants. All pilots forced to live in base because they can not commute, makes you wonder, hummmmmmmmm.

 

[Daedalus]

This thread makes me believe this so-called profession deserves exactly what it gets...what an embarrassment!

 

[rptrain]

after significant study, i have determined that anybody who advocates denying the jumpseat for personal or political reasons should have his balls cut off and stepped on repeatedly.

grow up, you idiots. i'm so tired of hearing this lunacy. for the love of god, if that's the most appropriate action you can come up with to change the world, you apparently are as well-adjusted to societal processes as a kindergartner.

 

[FNG320]

after significant study, i have determined that anybody who advocates denying the jumpseat for personal or political reasons should have his balls cut off and stepped on repeatedly.

grow up, you idiots. i'm so tired of hearing this lunacy. for the love of god, if that's the most appropriate action you can come up with to change the world, you apparently are as well-adjusted to societal processes as a kindergartner.

No, you want to step them repeatedly while they are still attached so he can feel the full pain.... Then once he is you are satisfied (an hour or two of stomping), then cut them off and give them back to him so he can remember what it use to be like.

FNG

 

[fr8doggie]

QUESTION:


What cruise Mach does JB use?

I was looking at our in-house jumpseat web screen and it shows 5+29 for a EWR-LAX DC-10 (Mach .83) leg and 4+58 for a LAX-EWR leg (same airplane) for a scheduled block time of 10+27. Obviously jetstream winds have a lot to do with cruise time but I think a DC-10 is a lot faster than an A-320. Minimum duty for a WCT would be 12+57 if everything was on time.

So what kind of block time would an A-320 get flying JFK-LGB-JFK?

 

[freightdogfred]

It You are so easy to read. GL, you remind me of taint. Do you know what taint is? Taint is that little piece of skin down there. It is between the man's hanging boys and the brown rasberry where a man expels his waste. If you work really hard, you can wash that area clean, but it returns to a yellow distasteful color after a few uses. Just like you. You are "friendly" (washed clean) every once in a while to someone who agrees with you but you soon return to your ugly yellow cowardly color when you find someones thread to ride on. Then you spew your industry dribble, your Delta biased bile for a good 10 to 12 threads, until you need some comfort. Hence the yellow color seen in most threads. Soon after, you can be found latching on to numerous poster's comments for a little much needed moral support, and "running with the devil" for a while. Shame on you General Lee, for becoming TAINT. For being so yellow, cowardly, a tomcat belly-slinking around. I hope someone is able to "wipe you clean" someday.

Ah yes... the standard response on this forum when disagreeing with an opinion, respond with a venomous personal attack.

Perhaps a few sips of the koolaid will calm your frazzled nerves...

 

[Dizel8]

QUESTION:
So what kind of block time would an A-320 get flying JFK-LGB-JFK?

For info only, not for flight planning purposes

5:43 out and 4:42 back today!