Does JetBlue have career FO's?

[FDJ2]

I would really like to know how an interviewer could justify their choice of candidate though....one with little time over so many with experience. If you cant see that, then you must be missing something up there.

Character, personality, knowledge, presentation, among other things are all part of the interview process, not just numbers on a resume. Experience isn't the only determining factor on getting the job. It would be quite easy to justify giving an applicant with less experience the job if that applicant was a better fit for the company and performed better in the interview and met the minimum requirements for the job, particularly since once the applicant gets the job he/she still has to successfully complete the training program.

There are plenty of highly experienced pilots who belong nowhere near a jet and there are plenty of less experienced pilots who could not only pass a checkride, but would make excellent captains one day.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Character, personality, knowledge, presentation, among other things are all part of the interview process, not just numbers on a resume. Experience isn't the only determining factor on getting the job. It would be quite easy to justify giving an applicant with less experience the job if that applicant was a better fit for the company and performed better in the interview and met the minimum requirements for the job, particularly since once the applicant gets the job he/she still has to successfully complete the training program.

There are plenty of highly experienced pilots who belong nowhere near a jet and there are plenty of less experienced pilots who could not only pass a checkride, but would make excellent captains one day.

To an extent, I agree with what you said.

Remember all the "tell me about a time when..." questions that UAL had? Those types of questions were really aimed at a crew concept sort of answer and how you dealt with problems and with the input of others before making a decision. What was your worst emergency was a common question.....someone flying an RJ for example who had an emergency could talk about the complexity of the stuation and how he and the co-pilot dealt with the given circumstances. On the other hand, I cant help but wonder for someone who only had single engine recip time and just added a multi rating....how would they answer such a question? Perhaps a vacuum failure in VFR conditions or a rough running magneto maybe? Sure, it's all relative to the experience of an individual, but someone with little experience has a completely different answer than someone who is well seasoned and can share an experience that required another pilot and a flight attendant or two.

 

[Marko Ramius]

I don't think you do....

I simply know what the application called for.

A minor point really, but since you've seen to have appointed yourself as the know-it-all on this one, the app min was 350 hours not 250. Also, I believe that NW, AA, and TWA all either have or had some sort of internship program. You may now return to your regularly scheduled flightinfo merry go-round.

 

[Guitar rocker]

A minor point really, but since you've seen to have appointed yourself as the know-it-all on this one, the app min was 350 hours not 250. Also, I believe that NW, AA, and TWA all either have or had some sort of internship program. You may now return to your regularly scheduled flightinfo merry go-round.

Sorry to burst you bubble there, but it started out at 250TT and remained so until they decided to make it a bit more competetive and make it 350TT. If you had been around the block, you would have known that for some time.

You "believe" that the other airlines above had an internship? Believe? IS that all yah got? Where are your facts? Have or had? Which is it for you?

 

[MCDU]

Look on the UAL seniorty list and look at some of the pilots born in the late 60's and hired late 80's early 90's. We are talking- born 1968 and hired in 1990 Age 22-. I could start posting names. But I could start listing senioity Numbers so you can look them up.
They had to change min. time to 1500 because IRO's needed an ATP and many new hires back then did not meet that requirement.
This type of hiring was forced on United due to lack of diversity in our pilot group by the courts. Our hiring changed in the late 90's when Nancy Stuke left.

Peace
Marty

 

[MRYFLYER]

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MrFLYER, I wish that I would have recorded that event just for you and I would have proudly posted it right here.

Like I said, I am not bagging on the majority of people at UAL.....just the minority (no pun intended) and what happened there at Martin Luther King BLVD (where yah all did your hiring) and where so many good people who paid their dues got turned down to make way for the VERY less qualified....

Here is the million dollar question GT. Did you interview at UAL? This whole thing is sounding a bit like sour grapes. We have all met pilots from another carrier that we have thought, "what were they thinking". In your case people may even be saying that about you at your present job. I suppose you fly along telling others in your crew about your first hand knowledge of all things UAL and how YOU should have been hired. Perhaps you failed the personality portion of the interview, knowledge or could not do public math.

You don't like the name of the street the training center is located on? Take that up with the City of Denver. While you are at it find a city that does not have an MLK blvd.

Get over your rejection. How about the other companies that turned you down? What were the problems with them? Could not have been you.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

While I don't agree with everything GT has said regarding UAL's hiring, he is right on a few accounts:

1-The app. mins were 250hrs TT with Comm/Inst/MEL. I know, 'cause I put in my original app. as soon as I made the mins. Didn't think I would get interviewed at the time, but I wanted a record of trying for when I was more competetive.

2-Updated every 6 months like clockwork. Again to show interest.

3-Fast-forward 10 years. Never hear a peep from UAL, still updating every 6 months, girlfriend at the time with half my time sends in 1 app, gets called 4 months later.(story ends well, I did marry her, and she did not get hired by UAL. She probably would still be furloughed right now).

4- in all this time, I NEVER even got a postcard saying 'thanks but no thanks'.

Overall, it just seems on the outside like something was just not right with UAL's hiring practices. But what do I know?

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Bosley]

Who the hell is Bosley?

I'm your worst nightmare punk! But I can see in regular fashion you got yourself banned again! Glad to see the mods are doing their work!
Thanks mods, this POS needed to go!

 

[dojetdriver]

Character, personality, knowledge, presentation, among other things are all part of the interview process, not just numbers on a resume. Experience isn't the only determining factor on getting the job. It would be quite easy to justify giving an applicant with less experience the job if that applicant was a better fit for the company and performed better in the interview and met the minimum requirements for the job, particularly since once the applicant gets the job he/she still has to successfully complete the training program.

There are plenty of highly experienced pilots who belong nowhere near a jet and there are plenty of less experienced pilots who could not only pass a checkride, but would make excellent captains one day.

By that ratioinale, how did United decide who they would call? They (Mrs. Stuke) claimed to have the most un-biased method for selecting who to interview. Fill out the scantron, fill out the app, mail it in. The only thing on the scantron is SSN and and flight times, everything else is on the the app, race, sex, ect. The scantron goes one way, the app goes another, at least according to them. The app is never even looked at until the computer spits out the SSN of the person's scantron it has selected, supposedly.

When deciding who to select for interview, go to the computer with the scantron info for the most "qualified" people to call. If UAL (and Mrs. Stuke) wanted to make a claim that they interviewed/hired only people with the best experience, there is no way in hell that ALOT of people would have even ever been called just to interview.

No where on the scantron did it have a bubble to fill out for character, knowledge, presentation, attitude, ect. And since the scantron was how they picked candidates, how did somebody with alot less experience get called while people with thousands of hours PIC, multiple type ratings, check airman expericence, never heard the phone ring?

With over 10,000 apps on file, I seriously doubt that they would have had to start lowering their competitve hours requirement just to find somebody with the right attitude.

Now I agree, attitude and personality go along way in the cockpit. I just don't believe they picked canidates solely on experience level.

 

[FDJ2]

No where on the scantron did it have a bubble to fill out for character, knowledge, presentation, attitude, ect.

We were discussing the interview, not the scantron.

 

[dojetdriver]

We were discussing the interview, not the scantron.

How did the person make it to the interview if their scantron had zero competitve experience?

 

[Marko Ramius]

Geez, who pooped in your Kool-Aid GR?

Sorry to burst you bubble there, but it started out at 250TT and remained so until they decided to make it a bit more competetive and make it 350TT. If you had been around the block, you would have known that for some time.

You "believe" that the other airlines above had an internship? Believe? IS that all yah got? Where are your facts? Have or had? Which is it for you?

No need to worry about my bubble I've been around the block, fortunately it just hasn't been your block. Since you've decided to be cute, ok I know that Nortwest, American, and TWA have or had internship programs. While going around the block, perhaps you may have heard that TWA no longer exists hence the word 'had'. You see there is this thing called verb tense Guitar Rocker, did they not teach that in english class on your block. I had forgotten, but I also know that Alaska has a program as well. I believe, CO has one has well. There is a space on their application for it, and I have seen it reffered to a few times in cyberspace. America West also had an internship program, although it's fate is likely unclear at best for obvious reasons.

Well that's enough wasted characters on this, I should have heeded my own words when I said 'back to your regularly scheduled merry go-around' and pulled chocks.

 

[MRYFLYER]

I'm your worst nightmare punk! But I can see in regular fashion you got yourself banned again! Glad to see the mods are doing their work!
Thanks mods, this POS needed to go!

Perhaps they could continue the house cleaning and rid this place of some of the unprofessional things you have said here as well.

 

[FL717]

Welcome back 32LT10

Why do the Airtran guys pretend like their company did not evolve from VJ? Or CAL was a haven for those that crossed the picket lines and were in BK twice?

Perhaps today's announcement of a scale back in airplanes could throw a Skywrench in those quick upgrades. Of course things never change in this industry so I am sure you will continue to have 2.5 year LCCaptains.

I have heard "Comb-Air" just recently, various versions of english and some really Pi$$ Poor southern "Annnnglish" by a LCC pilot in the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps you failed the personality portion of the interview, knowledge or could not do public math.

Perhaps they could continue the house cleaning and rid this place of your bile also.

I see you decided to shell out the $10 bucks.....LOL!! At least you are more civil this time..... good for you!

 

[FDJ2]

How did the person make it to the interview if their scantron had zero competitve experience?

How many interviewees scored zero on the scantron?

 

[dojetdriver]

How many interviewees scored zero on the scantron?

You missed the point or are lacking in a good argument. I'll phrase it differnetly;

How did alot of people go about getting an interview if the upper left hand or the two upper right hand portions of their scantron (not interns, sons and daughters, ect) had a big giant goose egg for a flight time total?

You do remember what those sections of the scantron entailed don't you?

Goose egg meaning ZERO.

 

[FDJ2]

How did alot of people go about getting an interview if the upper left hand or the two upper right hand portions of their scantron (not interns, sons and daughters, ect) had a big giant goose egg for a flight time total?

You do remember what those sections of the scantron entailed don't you?

Goose egg meaning ZERO.

Sorry, I didn't do the scantron deal, and I don't fly for UAL, but apparently you are familiar with UAL's most recent interview process. You state that alot of people got an interview with zero hours of flight time, exactly how many did they hire with zero hours?

 

[Bosley]

Perhaps they could continue the house cleaning and rid this place of some of the unprofessional things you have said here as well.

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Welcome back 32. Be careful, on that UAL pay that $10 is gonna hurt every time you get yourself banned!

 

[Guitar rocker]

. You see there is this thing called verb tense Guitar Rocker, did they not teach that in english class on your block. I believe, CO has one has well.
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Marko, you might have skipped English class when you were smoking some good north american slope trip weed......but what tense is, "has one has well?" Perhaps you can explain that to us?

 

[Guitar rocker]

No where on the scantron did it have a bubble to fill out for character, knowledge, presentation, attitude, ect. And since the scantron was how they picked candidates, how did somebody with alot less experience get called while people with thousands of hours PIC, multiple type ratings, check airman expericence, never heard the phone ring?

With over 10,000 apps on file, I seriously doubt that they would have had to start lowering their competitve hours requirement just to find somebody with the right attitude.

Now I agree, attitude and personality go along way in the cockpit. I just don't believe they picked canidates solely on experience level.

Exactly. Why would they have chosen someone with 600TT and 25 multi over anyone else that had more time? It just didnt make any sense.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Here is the million dollar question GT. Did you interview at UAL? This whole thing is sounding a bit like sour grapes. We have all met pilots from another carrier that we have thought, "what were they thinking". In your case people may even be saying that about you at your present job. I suppose you fly along telling others in your crew about your first hand knowledge of all things UAL and how YOU should have been hired. Perhaps you failed the personality portion of the interview, knowledge or could not do public math.

You don't like the name of the street the training center is located on? Take that up with the City of Denver. While you are at it find a city that does not have an MLK blvd.

Get over your rejection. How about the other companies that turned you down? What were the problems with them? Could not have been you.

32L, read back some and you will see that I am glad that I am not at UAL. It's not about me...it's about how you guys hired over there. Speaking of sour grapes, how did you feel about getting banned? What you said was truly low. Lets just see how long it takes for you to get banned again....my guess??? Maybe 2 weeks tops.

Do me a favor, go hang out there on MLK Blvd (of which you are so proud of) and why dont you re-write the hiring process for UAL.....maybe 5 hrs total on some cool flight simulator that you can do on your computer.

 

[MRYFLYER]

read back some and you will see that I am glad that I am not at UAL. It's not about me...

On the first sentence we both agree. I am glad you are not at UAL also. On the second, if it is not about you then why are you moaning about not getting hired. If you did not care to work for UAL then you would not have minded if they hired Pigeons to fly the planes. Instead you were turned down and see no reason why it could not have been your sparkling personality or perhaps even your flying skills that sent you home.

In the long run you are better off where you are, being bitter and growing old as a "Could have been a contender". And we are much better off without you.

 

[Guitar rocker]

On the first sentence we both agree. I am glad you are not at UAL also. On the second, if it is not about you then why are you moaning about not getting hired. If you did not care to work for UAL then you would not have minded if they hired Pigeons to fly the planes. Instead you were turned down and see no reason why it could not have been your sparkling personality or perhaps even your flying skills that sent you home.

In the long run you are better off where you are, being bitter and growing old as a "Could have been a contender". And we are much better off without you.

Funny how there is just no denying that it's you 32L...you worthless scumbag.....I mean after that Air Tran comment you made, how is anyone to have respect for you? I'm going to hold on my 2 weeks from yesterday thing and then your going to have to spend another 10 smackers to come back here and get bashed again. In your dreams you fly Boeings, busses and McD's.........your probably just a lousy ramper driving around peoples bags from one Boeing or airbus to the next.

Anyway, read back again. It's not about me and I DONT care one bit that I am not at your lousy airline. All I have stated is that where is the fairness to all the others out there who were PLENTY qualified/had much more experience than myself and were turned down because UAL found a college or low time wonder who was more "qualified?" If I were you, I would just open up my eyes and stop wasting time in dreamland and come to the realization that your airline did some serious minority hiring. Period.

I cant help but laugh at the growing old thing! Ha ha ahaaa. Coulda woulda been a contender....too funny. If I really cared, your statements would have some validity....but I could care less.

 

[JP4user]

Funny how there is just no denying that it's you 32L...you worthless scumbag.....I mean after that Air Tran comment you made, how is anyone to have respect for you? I'm going to hold on my 2 weeks from yesterday thing and then your going to have to spend another 10 smackers to come back here and get bashed again. In your dreams you fly Boeings, busses and McD's.........your probably just a lousy ramper driving around peoples bags from one Boeing or airbus to the next.

Anyway, read back again. It's not about me and I DONT care one bit that I am not at your lousy airline. All I have stated is that where is the fairness to all the others out there who were PLENTY qualified/had much more experience than myself and were turned down because UAL found a college or low time wonder who was more "qualified?" If I were you, I would just open up my eyes and stop wasting time in dreamland and come to the realization that your airline did some serious minority hiring. Period.

I cant help but laugh at the growing old thing! Ha ha ahaaa. Coulda woulda been a contender....too funny. If I really cared, your statements would have some validity....but I could care less.

Imagine he coughed up that $10 to debate you over this. That really put a dent in his retirement so go easy on him ok?

 

[Ty Webb]

32LT10/MRYFlyer lives in a strange world. A world where it is OK to make fun of fatal crashes at other airlines, but not his own . . . a world where other airlines are filled with scabs, but not his own . . . a world where hiring 350tt minorities because of their "good attitudes" is defensible . . . .

My guess is that he ponied up the $10. because his wife left him, his dog ran off, and he didn't have anything left to kick.

 

[Bosley]

32LT10/MRYFlyer lives in a strange world. A world where it is OK to make fun of fatal crashes at other airlines, but not his own . . . a world where other airlines are filled with scabs, but not his own . . . a world where hiring 350tt minorities because of their "good attitudes" is defensible . . . .

Of course it is, how do you think she got hired!

My guess is that he ponied up the $10. because his wife left him, his dog ran off, and he didn't have anything left to kick.

Dog, wife, you're assuming they're different? I bet they're one in the same.
It's obvious this prick is 32, just let her be. She doesn't have any retirement, she probably gets harassed by captains for her lack of flying skills and comes on here to brag about being a UAL pilot! Good for her. We all know she slipped through the EEOC door! She'll be ponying up another $10 for a new membership in another week or 2 tops!

 

[MRYFLYER]

but I could care less.

If that is the case then why bring up your J/S stories and various other comments about UAL? For someone that does not care you seem to be filled with a great deal of words and venom.

 

[JP4user]

Of course it is, how do you think she got hired!


Dog, wife, you're assuming they're different? I bet they're one in the same.
It's obvious this prick is 32, just let her be. She doesn't have any retirement, she probably gets harassed by captains for her lack of flying skills and comes on here to brag about being a UAL pilot! Good for her. We all know she slipped through the EEOC door! She'll be ponying up another $10 for a new membership in another week or 2 tops!

Perfect.

 

[Guitar rocker]

If that is the case then why bring up your J/S stories and various other comments about UAL? For someone that does not care you seem to be filled with a great deal of words and venom.

32L, those are just some examples of folks that got hired over other great candidates that were found not to be qualified. Like I said, I could care less that I am not at UAL...........I do have some venom in my words for you though...........you have no character, respect for others or common decency. You should have saved your 10 bucks instead of coming back here just to get ratted on. 32L... I used to read your posts and often thought that you were plain ole arrogant, but after that AT comment, I just cant seem to round up an ounce of respect for you.

 

[MRYFLYER]

32L, those are just some examples of folks that got hired over other great candidates that were found not to be qualified. Like I said, I could care less that I am not at UAL........../quote]

GT,

What is a qualified pilot? At what time frame should a pilot be hired? Did you apply prior to achieving a magic number in your logbook? I will share my thoughts, an ATP should be a minimum based on the enviroment that exist today and has existed for many years. However, when I was hired I flew with many pilots that were recruited by UAL without any previous experience. When were these guys hired? 80's or 90's? Nope they were hired in the mid century and called Tracy's Aces. These pilots were all school teachers and various other professionals that were recruited based on the stanine.

The hiring requirments have fluctuated over the years much like the stock market. You say UAL did not hire other qualified pilots. Sure there are many qualified pilots but there are only so many people that will be hired at any given place. Maybe when they start hiring again next year you can reapply. If you want to forward a resume I will make sure it gets routed to the appropriate source.