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[spanky2]

Mr ATR,

How can I argue with a person of great experience such as yourself...being a left seater and all. Like you said, much blame must go towards the RJ plague and the baggage that comes with it. Golf clap to you for standing up for your spelling / keyboard challenged DCI brother..that would make you kinda like the Gen Lee when he stands up for the furloughed pilots. Fly safe with your 40 passengers and their gym bags. OBTW - never went thru 727 FE school.

Tom-kitty - all in fun my friend ... fly safe with Mr ATR.

 

[General Lee]

General,

Maybe I ain't seeing this right, but I can't see how Delta can get meaningful cash for either of us. whoever buys us will want assurances that Delta won't cancel their contract if they go to bk. They will want price high enough to make a profit on the fee for departure and they will want Delta to take over the leases on the a/c if there is a reduction in flying. I don't see how some one would be stupid enough to take a worse deal than that. Once the industry is on the upswing again I have no doubt Delta will sell us, but I just can't see it now. I hope the recalls don't get thrown back on the street though, I got friends still out and I want them back soonest!

Two reasons to sell DCI, which are to get some needed cash, and get rid of the debt. Last week I was in CVG on a "productivity sit" for a few hours and spoke with the CVG Chief pilot. He told me that selling DCI would help get rid of $8 billion of our debt. That is significant, even though I really don't know if those numbers ($8 billion) are correct or not. But, that would trim our debt load, which is worth a lot. I honestly don't know if DL will sell both or maybe one of them---but we need the cash and the debt reduction. We shall see.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyboyPhil]

Here it comes guys....

Delta Air Lines, Mesa Air Group Announce Strategic Partnership Originally Posted - 05-04 Source: Delta Air Lines

Mesa subsidiary Freedom Airlines to operate as Delta Connection carrier

Delta Air Lines and Mesa Air Group, Inc have entered into a strategic partnership whereby Mesa subsidiary Freedom Airlines will become a Delta Connection carrier.

The new Delta Connection agreement provides for Freedom Airlines to operate up to 30 CRJ200 aircraft on routes throughout Delta's network for a period of 12 years, with the first aircraft planned to enter Delta Connection service as early as October 2005. The agreement provides Delta with long-term cost savings and efficiencies gained through Mesa's attractive operating costs and its complementary fleet of CRJ aircraft. Delta Connection carriers already operate the world's largest fleet of CRJ aircraft, with nearly 350 in service throughout the U.S. Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean.

In addition, the economics of the agreement allow Delta to place Freedom Airlines' Bombardier CRJ200 regional jets into Delta Connection service in lieu of 30 Fairchild Dornier aircraft previously operated for Delta by Atlantic Coast Airlines (now FLYi, Inc.).

"We are pleased to add another highly cost-effective, customer-focused regional airline to our portfolio of regional carriers," said J.T. Fisher, president, Delta Connection, Inc. "This agreement offers long-term cost savings to Delta and makes it economically attractive to upgrade flying that would have been operated with 32-seat Fairchild Dornier aircraft to 50-seat Bombardier CRJs, an aircraft that is more flexible and effective within our network and existing Delta Connection carrier fleet."

Said Jonathan Ornstein, CEO, Mesa Air Group, "Mesa is delighted to join the industry-leading Delta Connection program and we look forward to providing Delta customers with safe, efficient and reliable service. Delta will be a strong partner and this agreement establishes a strategic relationship that will bring value to Mesa for many years to come."

With the addition of Mesa's Freedom Airlines subsidiary, the Delta Connection program will include Delta's wholly owned subsidiaries Atlantic Southeast Airlines and Comair, regional carriers Chautauqua, Freedom, Republic and SkyWest, and codeshare partner American Eagle (in California). As previously reported, FLYi stopped serving as a Delta Connection carrier in October 2004 in connection with a change in its corporate strategy.

Mesa Air Group, Inc., the 2005 Air Transport World Regional Airline of the Year, is an efficient, high-quality provider of regional airline service through its subsidiaries Mesa Airlines, Freedom Airlines and Air Midwest. Mesa Air Group and its subsidiaries currently operates 179 aircraft with over 1,100 daily system departures to 165 cities, 44 states, the District of Columbia, Canada and Mexico. Mesa operates regional service for several major airline partners and independently as Mesa Airlines. The company, which was founded in New Mexico in 1982, has approximately 5,000 employees.

Delta Air Lines is the world's second-largest airline in terms of passengers carried and the leading U.S. carrier across the Atlantic, offering daily flights to 490 destinations in 85 countries on Delta, Song, Delta Shuttle, the Delta Connection carriers and its worldwide partners. Delta's marketing alliances allow customers to earn and redeem frequent flier miles on more than 14,000 flights offered by SkyTeam and other partners. Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that provides customers with extensive worldwide destinations, flights and services. Customers can check in for flights, print boarding passes and check flight status at delta.com.

 

[Tomct]

General: Most of the analysts...(spanky, is that right? Anal ists?)haha
said that if Delta were to sell ASA/Comair, that the amount of money recieved would be like throwing a speed bump in front of a runaway train....Only a band-aid on a gushing wound!

 

[General Lee]

General: Most of the analysts...(spanky, is that right? Anal ists?)haha
said that if Delta were to sell ASA/Comair, that the amount of money recieved would be like throwing a speed bump in front of a runaway train....Only a band-aid on a gushing wound!

You forget that even though the cash amount may only be a temporary help, the transfer of debt will help a lot more. That is the key. As far as how much debt, I don't know the exact figure, but our CVG chief pilot said around $8 billion. (out of $22 billion) Not bad. That might lower the debt payments considerably. And, our turnaround plan has only yielded about $3 billion a year in savings by the end of this year, but we aim to save around $5 billion a year by the end of 2006. That is what we need to do, get to that point.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[acarpe3448]

hey spank-yourself,
i guess on top of being the spelling police you "must really believe that stuff that gets pumped into you at B-727 FE school on Virgina Avenue". just another "blame all of Delta's woes on the RJs", Gods gift to aviation experts......

Just an observation-the more RJ's that come online-the bigger the losses. RJ's have done nothing to help stop the bleeding, it continues to get worse the more we get. It's a fact!!

 

[General Lee]

Fred Greed wanted RJs for "frequency" purposes for business people. He never figured that the LCCs would be flying the same routes for cheaper fares (since their planes have more seats and can spread out the costs better). Oooops, and now we have 300 plus RJs and low fares.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Mr ATR,

How can I argue with a person of great experience such as yourself...being a left seater and all. Like you said, much blame must go towards the RJ plague and the baggage that comes with it. Golf clap to you for standing up for your spelling / keyboard challenged DCI brother..that would make you kinda like the Gen Lee when he stands up for the furloughed pilots. Fly safe with your 40 passengers and their gym bags. OBTW - never went thru 727 FE school.

Tom-kitty - all in fun my friend ... fly safe with Mr ATR.

I would stand up for anyone who is hammered on by dckheads like your self. Oh, I never said anything about my experience...I see YOU'RE quite experienced though. Glad you avoided the FE experience, saved them from wasting time.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Just an observation-the more RJ's that come online-the bigger the losses. RJ's have done nothing to help stop the bleeding, it continues to get worse the more we get. It's a fact!!

Fact? So Delta, along with all the legacy carriers selling tickets for cheap has nothing to to with losses? Oil prices high have nothing to do with it?
So tell me who is making the decisions regarding the RJ's? Do you think that ASA/CMR just go out and keep buying more just for grins? Am I to believe that
GG and company have NO say it what airplanes go where? Why did DELTA just sign MESA on? Why don't you call him and tell him to stop buying RJ's and buy more mainline aircraft????? WE HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT AIRPLANES DELTA PUTS WHERE. Why doesn't he buy MORE 800's or 700's or 777's???? Alot of my friends would be off furlough and flying again.
Tell me, what is the answer?????

 

[acarpe3448]

Fact? So Delta, along with all the legacy carriers selling tickets for cheap has nothing to to with losses? Oil prices high have nothing to do with it?
So tell me who is making the decisions regarding the RJ's? Do you think that ASA/CMR just go out and keep buying more just for grins? Am I to believe that
GG and company have NO say it what airplanes go where? Why did DELTA just sign MESA on? Why don't you call him and tell him to stop buying RJ's and buy more mainline aircraft????? WE HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT AIRPLANES DELTA PUTS WHERE. Why doesn't he buy MORE 800's or 700's or 777's???? Alot of my friends would be off furlough and flying again.
Tell me, what is the answer?????

As far as I can remember NOONE has ever said ASA and Comair just keep going out and buying these RJs. Just several years ago the price of oil was down below $30 a barrel-more RJs kept coming and the losses kept getting bigger and bigger. Just a couple of years ago ticket prices were higher-more RJs kept coming and the losses kept getting bigger and bigger. Its a fact. Yes I agree management appears to be brain dead by buying more and more of these things.