Delta, the biggest and the best?.....article

[jke406]

I don't work for Delta but you are so wrong. How about taking a fleet of 767's that were flying domestically and redeploying them on trans-atlantic runs. This is not just a function of changing the schedule. You have to update the cabins, offer a bid for more international crews, shift maintenance crews around the world to comply with etops requirements etc. What thay have and are continuing to do has been pretty remarkable. Kudos to Grinstein and Anderson for having a plan for the airline. The other 2 airlines who emerged from bankrupsy are being run by management teams whose plan for the future involves mergers or other "deals" that are good for them and bad for those left holding the pieces.

IAHERJ

blah, blah blah. cabins, training, mgmnt, whatever.

once again I say: who cares where the airplanes are flying or what the execs "gave up"? (they still make more in a year than we will in ten).

The only thing we should care about is the pay.

It sucks.

Next?

 

[airksk]

Ah, not worth the effort.

 

[JOPILOT]

And after all of this, a 12 year 777 DAL/FO flying international makes about what a 3 year SWA/FO makes ping ponging around Texas. You guys are doing better now, but you need to get a spine and get your money back.

I can't believe that T.C. has finally formulated a blow to Delta guys that has even a trace of intelligence and truth behind it. Sad to say it, but for once I believe you are spot on with this! You could not of said it better, Thank You JP

 

[Tanker Clown]

I can't believe that T.C. has finally formulated a blow to Delta guys that has even a trace of intelligence and truth behind it. Sad to say it, but for once I believe you are spot on with this! You could not of said it better, Thank You JP

Thanks JP. Hopefully the guys at Delta will use this type of press to formulate an argument to get a real pay rate. Shooooot. If Delta could come up to SWA's level, that would be a start. At least the folks at AMR look like they are drawing some lines in the sand and are willing to throw down the gauntlet and get a real paycheck back.

 

[NuGuy]

This from the "Coldest and the Oldest" airline out there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

S'ok, my airline's bank account and beat up your airline's bank account.

Neener neener neener...

Nu

 

[jke406]

S'ok, my airline's bank account and beat up your airline's bank account.

Neener neener neener...

Nu

No one cares about your airline's bank account.

But how's your paycheck looking compared to a Delta pilot of equal longevity? How about the work rules? Bases? Expectations?

oops.

 

[Heavy Set]

No one cares about your airline's bank account.

But how's your paycheck looking compared to a Delta pilot of equal longevity? How about the work rules? Bases? Expectations?

oops.

NuGuy got OWNED by that remark.

 

[737 Pylt]

And after all of this, a 12 year 777 DAL/FO flying international makes about what a 3 year SWA/FO makes ping ponging around Texas. You guys are doing better now, but you need to get a spine and get your money back.

Holy crap! Note the date and the time.
I actually agree with tanker clown!:beer:

737

 

[UALjan15]

The DAL pilots received $1.25B in cash and stock value from their claim. 92% was cash value, 8% was stock for the 8% that didn't presell.

The value of the concessionary package was less than $600M over 3.5 years.

The average DAL pilot received over $200K in cash from their claim for a 3.5 year concessionary contract containing a 14% pay cut. Even the most junior pilot on the list who had never turned a wheel at DAL before being furloughed and then spent the next 5.5 years on furlough received over $100K after bankruptcy exit.

You seem to be implying that the average $200K payout per pilot is direct compensation for the $600m concession package over 3.5 years. Is this all there is to the story?

Unless I totally misunderstood the BK agreements, the cash/stock payout was in lieu of your entire defined benefit pension plan, which was of course terminated. Correct?

You can do some fuzzy math if you'd like to compare the average pilot's payout today with what he would have had in the old pension (and you sure did better than the UAL & AAA groups), but comparing the payout vs the wages given up seems like apples and oranges.

 

[WSurf]

Simply the Best?

Delta Airlines sued in Moore


By Sarah A. Reid
Staff writer

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Staff file photoThis 2006 photo shows fire trucks shooting water over the first Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta to Moore County Airport.
CARTHAGE — The Moore County Airport Authority is suing Delta Air Lines for breach of contract, accusing the airline of spotty service, lost luggage and hampered marketing.
The legal dispute is a far cry from the fanfare that marked Delta’s arrival in Moore County in June 2006. Last November, the airline announced it would cease its seasonal Delta Connection flights at Southern Pines because of poor ticket sales. But, according to the complaint, Delta failed to even include Southern Pines on its reservations Web site.
The lawsuit, filed Feb. 13 in Moore County Superior Court, accuses Delta of breach of contract. The Airport Authority had lured Delta by offering an incentives package that included revenue guarantees. But the airline failed to live up to its side of the bargain, the complaint said.
“Delta’s failure to provide quality service and operation ... as well as other delays, problems, and errors on the part of Delta, inconvenienced and alienated passengers,” the suit says.
That creating bad publicity, created serious “scheduling implications” with the Transportation Security Administration and cost the authority money for extra staffing, the complaint states.
During golfing season, the airline connected travelers through its Atlanta hub up to six times a week.
The contract with Delta said the Airport Authority agreed to pay for lodging and other expenses related to training its employees to work for Delta. It also agreed to provide ticketing, processing, baggage, boarding and discharge services. The authority waived airport fees, gave Delta’s planes fuel at cost, and paid to help passengers who were displaced because of delays or lost bags.
The authority agreed to pay Delta a maximum of $500,000 in 2006, and up to $700,000 in 2007, depending on Delta’s revenues.
Delta claimed the authority owes it $700,000 for the 2007 service, according to the lawsuit. The authority has not paid Delta, and it says Delta was in breach of contract.
“In addition the Airport Authority disputes Delta’s method of calculating revenue losses as set forth in the invoice,” the complaint says.
Late flights
The authority alleges many of Delta’s flights into Southern Pines last year were more than an hour late. At least one flight was more than six hours late.
“Customers bags were consistently lost,” the complaint says. “As Pinehurst is a golf destination and many passengers would bring their clubs, this created a serious problem.”
Customers who used a toll-free number or Delta’s reservations Web site often couldn’t find the Southern Pines airport, or were told there weren’t flights available on days when there were flights, according to the lawsuit.
Fares initially were very high, but during the start of the 2007 season Delta offered reduced rates. The Airport Authority, which was also responsible for marketing the flights, was not told about those reduced rates soon enough to advertise them effectively, according to the complaint.
Other promotions paid by the authority and community partners were not launched correctly because of delays gaining approval from Delta, according to the complaint. An in-flight movie, which the authority paid for, was never aired.
Thomas Van Camp, the lawyer representing the authority, did not return a call for comment. A Delta spokeswoman said the company does not comment on pending litigation.
Staff writer Sarah A. Reid can be reached at [email protected] or 323-4848, ext. 280.
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