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[Capt. Caucasian]

Here's something fun to ponder: when DAL canceled the DB plan for the retirees there was stipulation that IF there was to ever be another DB plan at Delta then, the retirees would get theirs back as well. Would this be case when adding the NWA DB plan? If not, I can see a nice little lawsuit coming from DP3.

 

[Superpilot92]

We have four furloughs at CPS right now. One of them did both my initial IOE & CA IOE, and he told me he started on year one pay at CPS because he was first-year when furloughed from NW. I didn't understand why until I read the fine print in the CBA just now. Whether the definition of accrued longevity has changed or not, the fact remains that someone who has been at DL or NW less than a year when furloughed will flow down to CPS at first year pay.

So you think if i flow back to Compass as a CA i will be on first year FO pay?

 

[tblosser]

Are you talking about the 319 at 124 seats vs. the 88 at 142?(the 319's were brought up to 320, 148 seat, rates......sound like any particular DL a/c?)BTW, in the JPWA the A320 rate represents only a 6.5% raise over current NWA. If anything, it should be NWA 320 pilots complaining about the inequity of the % raises among different a/c.

OK. Then we will need to upward adjust the rate for the 757-300's we bring since they have more seats than your 76ER's

What do the 757-300 hold? Our 767 hold 24/238 and the 76-ER hold 35/181

 

[DTW320]

Here's something fun to ponder: when DAL canceled the DB plan for the retirees there was stipulation that IF there was to ever be another DB plan at Delta then, the retirees would get theirs back as well. Would this be case when adding the NWA DB plan? If not, I can see a nice little lawsuit coming from DP3.

The frozen NWA DB plan does not constitute there "being another DB plan at Delta". It is a frozen remnant from the past. If it was not frozen and NWA pilots were still accruing benefits in it then I would agree that you could consider it a DB plan at Delta that may trigger language you refer to. BTW, where is that mentioned in the 2006 contract?

 

[DTW320]

What do the 757-300 hold? Our 767 hold 24/238 and the 76-ER hold 35/181

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

That is correct. Is the 757-300 that much longer or is the seat pitch that much tighter? Also, what is the range? Not starting a "mine is bigger than yours", just curious.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

BTW, where is that mentioned in the 2006 contract?

I think that is with an agreement with DP3 (the retired Delta pilot org).

My Pop is foaming at the mouth to get his pension back. Either that or all the NWA guys with pensions have to go on "early" retirement at 60 to ensure my future. Not gonna lie, that's what me and him are thinking.

 

[Muskycat]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

 

[DTW320]

That is correct. Is the 757-300 that much longer or is the seat pitch that much tighter? Also, what is the range? Not starting a "mine is bigger than yours", just curious.

No, seat pitch is the same on the -300 as the -200. The -300 is 23' 4'' longer. Range = 3225 miles. NWA uses it on a lot of the west coast - Hawaii service and high density domestic routes like MSP-LAX,MSP-SFO, and MCO-MSP.

 

[DTW320]

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

I'm not on the fleet and have not heard what model of 75's will make up the 10 being parked but I would be very surprised if they park any of the -300's.

 

[DTW320]

I think that is with an agreement with DP3 (the retired Delta pilot org).

My Pop is foaming at the mouth to get his pension back. Either that or all the NWA guys with pensions have to go on "early" retirement at 60 to ensure my future. Not gonna lie, that's what me and him are thinking.

We do have guys still leaving at 60. They can start drawing the full 60% FAE pension at 60 (FAE calculated at the pre-BK payrates), the lump sum payable from the excess plan decreases towards zero the longer they stay after 60, the NWA retiree medical premiums are much less than DAL's (think less than half) and I've heard they lock that in by leaving before DCC, and in the new JPWA a 744 Captain gets less than a 7% raise. Also the new LOA at NWA indicates they will be offering some early retirement incentives to avoid displacements. I hope they continue to leave at 60 or before.

 

[NuGuy]

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

Heyas,

No, they are parking older -200s. A/C #s 55XX.

Nu

 

[Noserider76]

New hires are out of LAX, etc. They are on both the 73N and the 767. Not sure about the ER. But you can hold it. With the growth that is sure to come out there, it may in fact become a junior base on the bottom end of the list.

Just wondering if you have a source on the growth out of LAX and what you're hearing? Without substantial growth or substantial fences this could be very bad for those in SLC and LAX as positions are filled by former NWA commuters. The same could be said about SEA for NW but I think everyone there are dinosaurs already anyway.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

 

[Noserider76]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.

 

[DTW320]

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.

Thanks for the info but the whole "comparison" was meaningless anyway. I brought up the issue of the 757-300 having more seats than your 76ER's only after it was stated in post #26 that NW319's paying more than MD88's that have more seats was "unexpected" and unfairly disadvantaged MD88 pilots in SLI (even though the NW320/319 got the smallest % raise of any category in the JPWA)

 

[Superpilot92]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Didnt i tell you to have faith in your reps? I am sure most will realize this NEEDS to happen, if they havent done so already, so we can move forward.

 

[Noserider76]

Thanks for the info but the whole "comparison" was meaningless anyway. I brought up the issue of the 757-300 having more seats than your 76ER's only after it was stated in post #26 that NW319's paying more than MD88's that have more seats was "unexpected" and unfairly disadvantaged MD88 pilots in SLI (even though the NW320/319 got the lowest raise of any category in the JPWA)

Your right, I shouldn't have wasted my time there when I knew what you were saying. All small Airbi should pay the same (320) rate just as all 737s should pay the same (-800). It benefits us all in the long run.

 

[tblosser]

Thanks

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

Thanks. The numbers I posted were off of our non-rev site for a LHR and LAS departure today. There is obviously some differeces with in the fleets.

 

[tblosser]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Where are these docs located?
Nevermind I found it

 

[DTW320]

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.

Hey Nose,

Don't you have the seatback entertainment/TV on some 757's also? Is the plan to put it in all 75's? A definite plus from the pax standpoint....not to mention the non-revs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

 

[MJ42]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

Good news, hope lots more NWA and DAL pilots come to the same conclusion.

Keeping my hopes up to be part of a kick a$$ airline with a great (and fair for ALL) combined pilot group!

 

[Superpilot92]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

CHEERS TO THAT!! :beer:

 

[Noserider76]

Hey Nose,

Don't you have the seatback entertainment/TV on some 757's also? Is the plan to put it in all 75's? A definite plus from the pax standpoint....not to mention the non-revs.

The entire seatback system with the satellite TV is in roughly 50 of the 137 757s now. The rest still have the overhead system. It's currently going into the 767-300 domestics/Hawaii and the a portion of the 737-800 fleet. The new 737-700s are coming from the factory with the system installed.

The 767-400s and the 777s have a similar seatback on-demand system (AVOD) without the satellite TV. The 767-ERs are not getting it as of now. They are just getting new LCD screens and projectors throughout the cabin.

I'm not sure what the final plan is for total number of aircraft with the personal system. The domestic plan was to start out with a transcon product (PTVs, food etc) and expand it from there. It is a great system and passengers love it but it has had some bugs from time to time that are being worked out.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Oh NO! Call off the merger!

:bomb: Different in flight entertainment!

The Flight Attendants are already looking for the circuit breakers to re-set the thing... and unfortunately the Panasonic isle blocker / cleaning inhibitor minions have showed the FA's where they are.

Yeah, that's it, there by that one called FADEC... The walk of shame could get much more interesting.

The hard seats are softer if the TV works. But, if you can't beat the whole airplane playing trivia, then the seats are just hard.

 

[comrcap]

There has been big rumors at comair about merging with Mesaba or Compass. I could see as a big possibility now if the flowup/back language would remain. This would provide over 1500 availible seats for furloughed NWA/Delta pilots.

And you wonder why we started RJDC?

 

[NuGuy]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Heyas Fins (and ACL and others),

Our guys (and I mean that collectively) did a great job on this.

They knew that going down the AWA/AAA path was a disaster and that anything like the Nic award debacle was something the combined airline could not SURVIVE, let alone tolerate.

Moak was grilled hard at the NWA MEC meeting, and everyone seemed pretty satisfied. There is noise now that after ratification (assuming, of course) most, if not all MEC meetings will be joint NWA/DAL meetings.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is the way that it should be.
Clearly they thought of most things. I realize that most of my DAL brother's and sister's would have liked to see more. I would have too, but the fact is that equal means equal.
Of course I wish that scope was more restrictive, but the way I see if, it we play our cards correctly, Compass could very well get tacked to the bottom in the SLI. That is the best way to have furlough protection. Top to bottom seniority. Everything from a Dash-8 to a 744 should be flown by mainline.

 

[~~~^~~~]

+1....