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[Capt. Caucasian]

Here's something fun to ponder: when DAL canceled the DB plan for the retirees there was stipulation that IF there was to ever be another DB plan at Delta then, the retirees would get theirs back as well. Would this be case when adding the NWA DB plan? If not, I can see a nice little lawsuit coming from DP3.

 

[Superpilot92]

We have four furloughs at CPS right now. One of them did both my initial IOE & CA IOE, and he told me he started on year one pay at CPS because he was first-year when furloughed from NW. I didn't understand why until I read the fine print in the CBA just now. Whether the definition of accrued longevity has changed or not, the fact remains that someone who has been at DL or NW less than a year when furloughed will flow down to CPS at first year pay.

So you think if i flow back to Compass as a CA i will be on first year FO pay?

 

[tblosser]

Are you talking about the 319 at 124 seats vs. the 88 at 142?(the 319's were brought up to 320, 148 seat, rates......sound like any particular DL a/c?)BTW, in the JPWA the A320 rate represents only a 6.5% raise over current NWA. If anything, it should be NWA 320 pilots complaining about the inequity of the % raises among different a/c.

OK. Then we will need to upward adjust the rate for the 757-300's we bring since they have more seats than your 76ER's

What do the 757-300 hold? Our 767 hold 24/238 and the 76-ER hold 35/181

 

[DTW320]

Here's something fun to ponder: when DAL canceled the DB plan for the retirees there was stipulation that IF there was to ever be another DB plan at Delta then, the retirees would get theirs back as well. Would this be case when adding the NWA DB plan? If not, I can see a nice little lawsuit coming from DP3.

The frozen NWA DB plan does not constitute there "being another DB plan at Delta". It is a frozen remnant from the past. If it was not frozen and NWA pilots were still accruing benefits in it then I would agree that you could consider it a DB plan at Delta that may trigger language you refer to. BTW, where is that mentioned in the 2006 contract?

 

[DTW320]

What do the 757-300 hold? Our 767 hold 24/238 and the 76-ER hold 35/181

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

That is correct. Is the 757-300 that much longer or is the seat pitch that much tighter? Also, what is the range? Not starting a "mine is bigger than yours", just curious.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

BTW, where is that mentioned in the 2006 contract?

I think that is with an agreement with DP3 (the retired Delta pilot org).

My Pop is foaming at the mouth to get his pension back. Either that or all the NWA guys with pensions have to go on "early" retirement at 60 to ensure my future. Not gonna lie, that's what me and him are thinking.

 

[Muskycat]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

 

[DTW320]

That is correct. Is the 757-300 that much longer or is the seat pitch that much tighter? Also, what is the range? Not starting a "mine is bigger than yours", just curious.

No, seat pitch is the same on the -300 as the -200. The -300 is 23' 4'' longer. Range = 3225 miles. NWA uses it on a lot of the west coast - Hawaii service and high density domestic routes like MSP-LAX,MSP-SFO, and MCO-MSP.

 

[DTW320]

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

I'm not on the fleet and have not heard what model of 75's will make up the 10 being parked but I would be very surprised if they park any of the -300's.

 

[DTW320]

I think that is with an agreement with DP3 (the retired Delta pilot org).

My Pop is foaming at the mouth to get his pension back. Either that or all the NWA guys with pensions have to go on "early" retirement at 60 to ensure my future. Not gonna lie, that's what me and him are thinking.

We do have guys still leaving at 60. They can start drawing the full 60% FAE pension at 60 (FAE calculated at the pre-BK payrates), the lump sum payable from the excess plan decreases towards zero the longer they stay after 60, the NWA retiree medical premiums are much less than DAL's (think less than half) and I've heard they lock that in by leaving before DCC, and in the new JPWA a 744 Captain gets less than a 7% raise. Also the new LOA at NWA indicates they will be offering some early retirement incentives to avoid displacements. I hope they continue to leave at 60 or before.

 

[NuGuy]

I heard that you guys are getting rid of some 757/300?? I find that hard to believe since they are very fuel efficient and can reach yield routes.

Heyas,

No, they are parking older -200s. A/C #s 55XX.

Nu

 

[Noserider76]

New hires are out of LAX, etc. They are on both the 73N and the 767. Not sure about the ER. But you can hold it. With the growth that is sure to come out there, it may in fact become a junior base on the bottom end of the list.

Just wondering if you have a source on the growth out of LAX and what you're hearing? Without substantial growth or substantial fences this could be very bad for those in SLC and LAX as positions are filled by former NWA commuters. The same could be said about SEA for NW but I think everyone there are dinosaurs already anyway.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

 

[Noserider76]

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.