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[DTW320]

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.

Thanks for the info but the whole "comparison" was meaningless anyway. I brought up the issue of the 757-300 having more seats than your 76ER's only after it was stated in post #26 that NW319's paying more than MD88's that have more seats was "unexpected" and unfairly disadvantaged MD88 pilots in SLI (even though the NW320/319 got the smallest % raise of any category in the JPWA)

 

[Superpilot92]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Didnt i tell you to have faith in your reps? I am sure most will realize this NEEDS to happen, if they havent done so already, so we can move forward.

 

[Noserider76]

Thanks for the info but the whole "comparison" was meaningless anyway. I brought up the issue of the 757-300 having more seats than your 76ER's only after it was stated in post #26 that NW319's paying more than MD88's that have more seats was "unexpected" and unfairly disadvantaged MD88 pilots in SLI (even though the NW320/319 got the lowest raise of any category in the JPWA)

Your right, I shouldn't have wasted my time there when I knew what you were saying. All small Airbi should pay the same (320) rate just as all 737s should pay the same (-800). It benefits us all in the long run.

 

[tblosser]

Thanks

NWA 757-300 = 24/200 = 224 seats

BTW, Delta.com says that your 767-300 seats 24/226 = 250 and your 767-300ER seats 36/178 = 214.

Thanks. The numbers I posted were off of our non-rev site for a LHR and LAS departure today. There is obviously some differeces with in the fleets.

 

[tblosser]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Where are these docs located?
Nevermind I found it

 

[DTW320]

The 767-300's (dom) were recently configured with new slimmer seats and personal entertainment with satellite TV. The new configuration holds 262. A comparisson of the 757-300 to the 767-300ER doesn't quite work when the -ER have an international business class configuration and the 757-300s have the domestic configuration.

Hey Nose,

Don't you have the seatback entertainment/TV on some 757's also? Is the plan to put it in all 75's? A definite plus from the pax standpoint....not to mention the non-revs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

 

[MJ42]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

Good news, hope lots more NWA and DAL pilots come to the same conclusion.

Keeping my hopes up to be part of a kick a$$ airline with a great (and fair for ALL) combined pilot group!

 

[Superpilot92]

Fin and I talked at length today. He and I agree this is actually a better document that we could have hoped for. It would have been nice to see the SLI, but we both know what the reasons are.
This will pass if everyone does their homework. I think that both MEC's did a great job. Not let's hope for a FAIR SLI. Is it is anything like the JPWA we should only be mildly disappointed.

CHEERS TO THAT!! :beer:

 

[Noserider76]

Hey Nose,

Don't you have the seatback entertainment/TV on some 757's also? Is the plan to put it in all 75's? A definite plus from the pax standpoint....not to mention the non-revs.

The entire seatback system with the satellite TV is in roughly 50 of the 137 757s now. The rest still have the overhead system. It's currently going into the 767-300 domestics/Hawaii and the a portion of the 737-800 fleet. The new 737-700s are coming from the factory with the system installed.

The 767-400s and the 777s have a similar seatback on-demand system (AVOD) without the satellite TV. The 767-ERs are not getting it as of now. They are just getting new LCD screens and projectors throughout the cabin.

I'm not sure what the final plan is for total number of aircraft with the personal system. The domestic plan was to start out with a transcon product (PTVs, food etc) and expand it from there. It is a great system and passengers love it but it has had some bugs from time to time that are being worked out.

 

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Oh NO! Call off the merger!

:bomb: Different in flight entertainment!

The Flight Attendants are already looking for the circuit breakers to re-set the thing... and unfortunately the Panasonic isle blocker / cleaning inhibitor minions have showed the FA's where they are.

Yeah, that's it, there by that one called FADEC... The walk of shame could get much more interesting.

The hard seats are softer if the TV works. But, if you can't beat the whole airplane playing trivia, then the seats are just hard.

 

[comrcap]

There has been big rumors at comair about merging with Mesaba or Compass. I could see as a big possibility now if the flowup/back language would remain. This would provide over 1500 availible seats for furloughed NWA/Delta pilots.

And you wonder why we started RJDC?

 

[NuGuy]

Guys,

Let me correct this "my airplane is bigger than yours" arguement since I caused it. Our Reps saw this coming and pre-emptively negotiated an agreement that removes any prejudicial effect that different pay rates and negotiations would have on SLI.

There is a lot of additional information in the SLI framework agreement, the SLI non-prejudice agreement and the other supporting documents.

After reading it all, twice, I'm a yes vote. The work that was done is impressive.

Heyas Fins (and ACL and others),

Our guys (and I mean that collectively) did a great job on this.

They knew that going down the AWA/AAA path was a disaster and that anything like the Nic award debacle was something the combined airline could not SURVIVE, let alone tolerate.

Moak was grilled hard at the NWA MEC meeting, and everyone seemed pretty satisfied. There is noise now that after ratification (assuming, of course) most, if not all MEC meetings will be joint NWA/DAL meetings.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is the way that it should be.
Clearly they thought of most things. I realize that most of my DAL brother's and sister's would have liked to see more. I would have too, but the fact is that equal means equal.
Of course I wish that scope was more restrictive, but the way I see if, it we play our cards correctly, Compass could very well get tacked to the bottom in the SLI. That is the best way to have furlough protection. Top to bottom seniority. Everything from a Dash-8 to a 744 should be flown by mainline.

 

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+1....