Delta parking 10 75s. 717 delivery "fluid"

[General Lee]

Gen, 40 plus years ago SWA was a little Texas airline. Yea your right, no long haul for SWA

Years ago there were 10 legacies, and one small LCC. Now, thanks to consolidation, there are 3 mega legacies and one large sorta LCC, that combined have 88% of the total domestic traffic. That sorta LCC has now been replaced in that arena by Spirit and JetBlue. What has also changed in the last 40 years is an alliance system between INTL airlines. Alliances allow airlines to share airport gates, ramp crew, gate agents, etc, and keep flying for the business passenger seamless. Can SWA ever get slots in London or Paris, and would people fly 737 max planes all the way over there? Who knows? They might get slots at outlying city airports, but as soon as they start, Ryanair and Easyjet will come in and try the same, and that won't be good for you. So, I have a feeling GK is trying to get a handle on the AT merger and trying to get SWA's reservation systems or whatever else fixed to handle Mexico and Caribbean flights first. Hawaii could be next a few years from now, but even Allegiant has beat you there. Good luck.



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[jonjuan]

Somewhere, a few ex wives are counting the generals weekly alimony checks, glad he is away, tormenting a keyboard in a far away red roof inn.
Alas, they are happy he gets paid by the word on FI.

 

[B727FA]

We're being shorted at least NINE daily trips to Europe, every day, as AF/KLM are flying our Pax! THAT is a major reason why we are fat on ER copilots.

I'm honestly not trying to be dumb here, but I thought the 2012 deal put a strict limit on JV flying. Are those "9 flights" within the scope or outside (by some fanagling)? I truly am asking b/c I want to be informed, not to be snide and say "it's within scope so quit bitching."

You know we were led to believe if we signed the TA, hiring was coming very soon to staff the 717, and now it looks like at least half the 717 seats initially will be displaced mainline pilots and not guys off the street.

Again, without any snark, how much displacement was expected when the bid went so (surprisingly) senior? Or were people expecting it WOULDN'T go so SR?

Thanks for your input.

 

[General Lee]

Somewhere, a few ex wives are counting the generals weekly alimony checks, glad he is away, tormenting a keyboard in a far away red roof inn.
Alas, they are happy he gets paid by the word on FI.

No, your Mom now let's me stay in her basement, and your sister likes to join her in nightly love sessions. Your family is "freaky."


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[General Lee]

I'm honestly not trying to be dumb here, but I thought the 2012 deal put a strict limit on JV flying. Are those "9 flights" within the scope or outside (by some fanagling)? I truly am asking b/c I want to be informed, not to be snide and say "it's within scope so quit bitching."

Again, without any snark, how much displacement was expected when the bid went so (surprisingly) senior? Or were people expecting it WOULDN'T go so SR?

Thanks for your input.

There was tightening, but the AF/KL JV has had a lookback starting next May. DL has until next May to be compliant. Today they are down by about 9 A330 flights a day, but they have until next May to change that. If they don't, they have one more year to do so. Who created that? Good ole ALPA. But, the lookback date has always been next May, and that's when it is determined. If it's off then, then they will have to correct it.

And are you talking about the 717 bid? It did go senior, but that was for the first 16 717s. There are 72 more coming in the next couple years.



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[redflyer65]

Can SWA ever get slots in London or Paris, and would people fly 737 max planes all the way over there? Who knows?


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Let's see, Southwest might go outside the 48 CONUS? Sounds crazy. But the growth that could lie ahead for Southwest is almost limitless since they don't fly international now.

As Southwest looks ahead to a more efficient 737 (Max), Delta is trying hard to recapture smaller cities with an older 717. Except for Memphis and CVG of course.

Thanks for pointing that out Gen.

 

[General Lee]

Let's see, Southwest might go outside the 48 CONUS? Sounds crazy. But the growth that could lie ahead for Southwest is almost limitless since they don't fly international now.

As Southwest looks ahead to a more efficient 737 (Max), Delta is trying hard to recapture smaller cities with an older 717. Except for Memphis and CVG of course.

Thanks for pointing that out Gen.

Yeah, you just started SJU, right? GREAT FOR YOU! FANTASTIC! And, you just got VNAV and autothrottles. At this rate, maybe Mexico (without the AT guys help) in 4 more years! Su-wheat!

And, Delta has recently added SEA to Tokyo Haneda and Shanghai, will probably announce Heathrow to SEA soon (just got an extra slot from Alitalia) and was recently awarded an extra slot from ATL to Sao Paulo. Yeah, only 717s and closing predominately 50 seat RJ bases....(CVG still remains open according to RA)

Keep looking ahead at the MAX Red, maybe it will carry you to Hawaii someday, after JetBlue, Virgin America, Spirit, and even Great Lakes beat you there. FAN-FRIGGEN-TASTIC.


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[SWA Bubba]

Thanks Bubba, you still can't explain who actually gets the bag fee money, and all of your planes say "free bags go here." What a complete joke, and we all know it. Your once great LCC is becoming a legacy, and that worries GK. It will be interesting to watch what happens next. Have a great one!


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Again, for the guy who knows jack squat about how companies are run (airline or otherwise): The AirTran bag fee money goes to run AirTran, just like all the other revenue. Southwest revenue goes to run Southwest. All profits go where all companies' profits go--some to capital expenditures, some to the bank, and some to the shareholders.

"All of [our] planes" say "free bags go here"? Well, that's not true. Some of Southwest's -700s say that, but certainly not all. It's advertising for Southwest. And at the other, completely separate airline, exactly NONE of the planes say that, because it's not true for the other airline.

Tell you what, Einstein--when you see an AirTran plan advertising "Free Bags Go Here," then you can bitch. Until then, you should probably stop advertising your stupidity. There's a few people out there on FI who may not know it yet.

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

Again, for the guy who knows jack squat about how companies are run (airline or otherwise): The AirTran bag fee money goes to run AirTran, just like all the other revenue. Southwest revenue goes to run Southwest. All profits go where all companies' profits go--some to capital expenditures, some to the bank, and some to the shareholders.

"All of [our] planes" say "free bags go here"? Well, that's not true. Some of Southwest's -700s say that, but certainly not all. It's advertising for Southwest. And at the other, completely separate airline, exactly NONE of the planes say that, because it's not true for the other airline.

Tell you what, Einstein--when you see an AirTran plan advertising "Free Bags Go Here," then you can bitch. Until then, you should probably stop advertising your stupidity. There's a few people out there on FI who may not know it yet.

Bubba

Thanks Donald Chump! Great explanation........ So, anyway..... Just remember, "Southwest would NEVER do that......" Bye now.


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[outerlimits]

who is taking the 757s when they go?

 

[texman]

Years ago there were 10 legacies, and one small LCC. Now, thanks to consolidation, there are 3 mega legacies and one large sorta LCC, that combined have 88% of the total domestic traffic. That sorta LCC has now been replaced in that arena by Spirit and JetBlue. What has also changed in the last 40 years is an alliance system between INTL airlines. Alliances allow airlines to share airport gates, ramp crew, gate agents, etc, and keep flying for the business passenger seamless. Can SWA ever get slots in London or Paris, and would people fly 737 max planes all the way over there? Who knows? They might get slots at outlying city airports, but as soon as they start, Ryanair and Easyjet will come in and try the same, and that won't be good for you. So, I have a feeling GK is trying to get a handle on the AT merger and trying to get SWA's reservation systems or whatever else fixed to handle Mexico and Caribbean flights first. Hawaii could be next a few years from now, but even Allegiant has beat you there. Good luck.
Bye Bye---General Lee

We will not be going via the max. I could see a codeshare with Ryanair or Easy jet once we off load our pax in London or Paris. Wouldn't it be FANTASTIC if SWA started to have cheaper international flights than Delta and offered better service. People would flock to SWA. Of course Gen I am being sarcastic But you never know

 

[redflyer65]

I always think it's entertaining to think that Southwest would barely be getting by if we branch out beyond the 48 CONUS. Simply, we feed ourselves and have a large, loyal customer base that's ready to go. To places like Central and South America, Europe and pretty much any other international destination that comes down the road. Most likely pulling some non-loyal, legacy customers from the other carriers. Just due to the fact they would prefer to fly SW to those destinations instead of brand x.

I like how the General always downplays any growth for SW. Please keep betting against us Gen. We'll see how that works out...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So the usual Herb Turds are flocking to a Delta thread? Shocker.....

This is really getting old. Cant you guys just let it go? "It" being whatever inadequacies or jealousy you have towards Delta? You guys hide behind keyboards talkin smack all day that you probably would never say in person. Makes for good Warrior circle jerks in the cockpit or the DAL pilot lounge but seriously grow up....you too GL

 

[scoreboardII]

Pot, meet kettle. Besides, thread title states "fluid 717" so yes, I think a SWA guy has every right to pile on here.

 

[General Lee]

Pot, meet kettle. Besides, thread title states "fluid 717" so yes, I think a SWA guy has every right to pile on here.

Hey, I corrected the initial poster, the fluid part was about class dates, not delivery dates of planes.


Red, your future INTL routes are suspect, especially across the pond. Around the region and down to Central and South America, that is possible, JetBlue and Spirit already beat you there. But I doubt you and GK will go for Trans Atlantic, and Easyjet and Ryanair are waiting for you to try something.




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